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  •  I live in SD 19 as well (2+ / 3-)
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    Tom Seaview, ER Doc, Kasoru

    I was out working for Evie knowing that it was uphill because of how low the turnout would be.  A lot of those signatures are going to be invalid because when the wing-nuts are pay $3 and then $5 per signature there is a powerful motive to cheat.

    These new laws were common sense and anyone who says otherwise is a gutless coward kneeling before the gun-fetishists.

    Ban Nock- you have no place in my party and I will be at the caucuses and the state convention listening for treasonous drivel like this and I will do all I can to make sure you no longer represent Jefferson County Democrats in any way, shape or form.

    The man in the suit has just bought a new car with the profit he made from your dreams... (-7.00, -5.64)

    by markc9503 on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 11:08:51 AM PST

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    •  Hungry? (3+ / 0-)
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      Ban Nock- you have no place in my party
      Have a donut.

      Things are more like they are now than they've ever been before...

      by Tom Seaview on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 01:36:12 PM PST

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    •  Keep talking your shit....You'll be a party (3+ / 0-)
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      of NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      As a non-gun owner, life-long registered democrat and one whom votes, I'm sick of the demagoguery and authoritarianism.

      Don't believe for a moment that ANY gun control is "reasonable".

      From where I'm sitting, it's destroyed the very fabric of this Nation!

      Let's review what it's brought us, shall we?

      -Permanent tax breaks for the wealthiest 1%.
      -Manufacturing jobs sent to slave-labored countries, forcing millions of Americans into perpetual poverty.
      -Endless unfunded wars that have nearly bankrupted us.
      -The theft of millions of Americans homes, THAT DID BANKRUPT US!
      -A racist drug war that has generationally destroyed the African-American family.
      -Saw the creation of the School-To-Prison Pipeline enriching the Prison Industrial Complex.
      -Saw the slow dismantling of our Social Safety Nets to the point that a fucking sitting "Democratic" President believes Social Security should be cut! While said same POTUS shredded the Constitution more so than any Republican has!

      I could continue but I think you're getting the Goddamn POINT!

      IF your "reasonable" gun control was so wonderful and so universally accepted by begging masses, then why the hell did it take Sandy Hook to get you to pass it????????????

      Why didn't you do it 10 yrs ago? Hell, even 5 years ago when WE THE PEOPLE, GAVE YOU TOTAL CONTROL OF EVERY BRANCH OF OUR GOVERNMENT??????

      What did we get instead? Mandatory Services from private for-profit corporations!  WHICH saw us loose control of the HOUSE!

      Keep living in your damn bubble of "Yes men", people like me are sick of the Zealots that have highjacked our party resulting in us losing everything that once defined us as DEMOCRATS.

      Your "Precious" has all but destroyed this nation!

      And Mister, I'm here to tell you. We won't let you do it again!

      I'm here to elect more AND BETTER Democrats!

      /rant!

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 01:43:59 PM PST

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      •  This is one of the most confusing comments (6+ / 0-)

        I've ever read. I honestly have no idea what your point is or even whether you are pro or anti-gun control

        27, originally OK-1, currently NY-10. Former swingnut.

        by okiedem on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 01:50:05 PM PST

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        •  That's because you can't either read or aren't (2+ / 0-)
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          paying attention.

          Our gun control push in the '90's lost us control of this nation for the past 20 yrs.  Moved the "talking points" so fucking far to the right, that we now have a sitting "democratic president" that tells me his policies are "moderate republican"!

          But of course, you don't understand any of the actual history I've had to live through, right?

          I'll refresh your memory:


          We used to be this!


          As it stands, I'm against Gun Control and I've never owned a firearm because I've already seen what it's wrought! And I hate history repeating itself!

          Bill Clinton to Democrats: Don’t trivialize gun culture

          “You have the power to really democratize America,” Clinton said. “You can do it on immigration reform, you can do it on these economic issues."

          -cut-

          “All these polls that you see saying the public is for us on all these issues — they are meaningless if they’re not voting issues,” Clinton said.

          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

          by gerrilea on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 02:15:49 PM PST

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          •  Wow you just linked to a stupid Newsroom speech (4+ / 0-)

            to make your point. If you're trolling you're doing an excellent job because that was one of the most funny posts I've read in quite some time.

            27, originally OK-1, currently NY-10. Former swingnut.

            by okiedem on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 02:18:34 PM PST

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          •  Democrats Suck. (2+ / 0-)
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            If you think that Democrats will stop sucking if they drop the gun control issue, you are mistaken. There is no one reason/issue that makes Democrats disappointing. Going on a crusade to purge the party of gun-control supporters will just reveal other more fundamental reasons for the failure of Democrats on economic issues. You have been tricked by the right-wing into believing that gun control is responsible for everything that's disappointing about Democrats. The right uses these arguments to divide Democrats, because they know that many Democrats are cowards and because we have a coalition that is more difficult to hold together.

            Debate over gun control was basically nonexistent during Obama's first term, when there was much disappointment surrounding the Democrats' economic agenda. Don't play into the hands of the right-wing, please.

            http://www.snappac.org/ Students for a New American Politics!

            by redrelic17 on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 02:23:22 PM PST

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            •  You know what, I live in Buffalo New York. (2+ / 0-)
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              More specifically, Erie County.

              This past election, we lost all control of this county.

              Don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining.

              GOP sweeps Erie County

              We, here in New York, passed "Gun Control".

              As it stands, 54 out of 62 Counties have passed resolutions against it.

              Gun control is the only issue, sadly.

              -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

              by gerrilea on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 02:40:05 PM PST

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              •  I'll golden shower wherever I want (1+ / 0-)
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                27, originally OK-1, currently NY-10. Former swingnut.

                by okiedem on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 02:47:19 PM PST

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              •  'Cos there's nothing else going on... (0+ / 0-)

                ...in the state or the nation that could have caused a bad election in Erie county.... nothing.

                The gun control measures were voted by a bipartisan majority and still have high approval throughout the state.  It's really easy to pick on gun issues as the "one" thing that causes all sorts of problems, but it's a heck of a lot more complex than that.

                GODSPEED TO THE WISCONSIN FOURTEEN!

                by LordMike on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 02:57:48 PM PST

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                •  The "high approval throughout the state" is (4+ / 0-)
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                  a lie, it's only the counties in and around NYC.

                  What part of 52 counties out of 62 doesn't add up for you?

                  The majority of the county legislatures have passed resolutions against the Safe Act.

                  You can't obfuscate that fact, I live here.

                  Opposition to SAFE Act is widespread, growing

                  Hell, even the absurd unconstitutional Patriot Act never had so much opposition here as does this "gun control".

                  -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                  by gerrilea on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 06:29:28 PM PST

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                  •  number of counties means nothing (0+ / 0-)

                    Obama won Nevada last year but only won 2 counties.

                    ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

                    by James Allen on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 12:09:46 AM PST

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                    •  I have no faith in our criminal, privately owned (2+ / 0-)
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                      S-election systems.

                      Bev Harris, the Brad Blog and Greg Palast continue to expose the "glitches".

                      That said and accepted.

                      Erie County is the most populous Western County in NY and it went Republican.

                      NYC is not New York State, period.  They steal our water and our electric and then I pay twice as much as any place in this nation for them.

                      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                      by gerrilea on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 02:22:21 AM PST

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                      •  then how do you know the results of the Colorado (0+ / 0-)

                        elections were accurate?

                        * mindblown *

                        Because that's silly conspiracy theory shit.

                        ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

                        by James Allen on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 10:47:43 PM PST

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                        •  We don't, sadly. (0+ / 0-)

                          And it isn't CT, just because Markos & Bev had a "falling out" and he refuses to discuss this issue here, doesn't make it any less legitimate.

                          http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

                          Note the actual video of thieve stealing boxes of votes. Why haven't we been up in arms about this?

                          http://www.bradblog.com/...

                          It's clear to me there's a concerted effort to hide the truth from the American people.

                          http://www.gregpalast.com/...

                          Educate yourself before you speak to me again on this subject.  I've spent hundreds of hours actively fighting to keep our election systems secure, especially here in New York, where I live.  Despite the false claim of "glitches".

                          http://thebuffalobullet.com/...

                          http://blog.timesunion.com/...

                          "Chain of Custody", machines having votes already in them and vote flipping are the biggest "glitches".

                          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                          by gerrilea on Sun Dec 01, 2013 at 05:19:30 AM PST

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          •  So, what you are saying is that we sit here... (2+ / 0-)
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            ...and do nothing while millions die because some firearm fetishist doesn't want to wait 5 minutes to get another tool of death.  No wonder it took 100 years to get health care reform done.  No one had the guts to do the right thing.

            At least the teabaggers fight for what they believe in.

            GODSPEED TO THE WISCONSIN FOURTEEN!

            by LordMike on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 03:00:15 PM PST

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            •  Millions??? Prove it. (5+ / 0-)

              Poll: Gun Homicides Down Sharply, But Few Americans Aware

              The rate of firearm homicide in 2010 was down 49 percent from its peak in 1993, according to Pew, while the rate of nonfatal violent crime involving guns was 75 percent lower in 2011 than in 1993. In both cases, the bulk of the decline took place during the 1990s.

              A separate Department of Justice study, also released this week, showed similar figures, with firearm homicides dropping 39 percent, largely between 1993 and 1998

              The right thing??? Odd, truly odd.   It seems we are doing something, without the government.  Our society is moving forward without the authoritarianism you espouse.

              Wanna save lives? Legalize drugs. Empty the prisons, prosecute the actual criminals in this nation and let people live their lives.

              California Marijuana Decriminalization Drops Youth Crime Rate To Record Low: Study

              See how that works yet???

              -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

              by gerrilea on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 06:38:26 PM PST

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    •  I don't live down in the city, I'd volunteer to (5+ / 0-)
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      GOTV because I like electing Dems. I live in Weld County, Dems up here like guns and some even wear cowboy boots.

      “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

      by ban nock on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 03:56:45 PM PST

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    •  Oh, and we elect precinct representatives to the (4+ / 0-)
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      county primaries when we have our own primaries at our polling place. You're welcome to come on up though.

      “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

      by ban nock on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 03:58:08 PM PST

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    •  You managed to make it clear that many people (1+ / 0-)
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      have no place in 'your party'.

      You managed to cost us three election losses in a non-election year.

      And that's exactly why I have the utmost faith that my party will treat your viewpoint with all the respect it deserves & was treated with for the past 20 years.

      Enjoy the corner, son. You're going to be there for awhile.

      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 08:49:59 PM PST

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