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  •  my questions of faith (14+ / 0-)

    have taken me away from religion but i find such hope in this new pope and his statements.  while i am a apathiest,  i do believe good leaders make good policies and bad leaders do massive amounts of evil.  pope francis has the ear of the world and what he is whispering into it is very different from the past dogma.  may he be heard and his teachings be a changing point for the future.

    •  I'm more interested in what happens (6+ / 0-)

      when he's no longer around -- will he set a trend or be just an aberration? He's not going to turn around a 2000 year old organization overnight.

      There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

      by Cali Scribe on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 08:54:08 AM PST

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    •  New Term? ;) (3+ / 0-)
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      while i am a apathiest...
      Is that a person who doesn't believe in apathy? Good on you!

      "I beg the Lord to grant us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people, the lives of the poor." ~ Pope Francis

      by paz3 on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 10:06:22 AM PST

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      •  I might believe in a deity... (3+ / 0-)
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        but I can't be bothered?

        Last full month in which the average daily temperature did not exceed twentieth-century norms: 2/1985 - Harper's Index, 2/2013

        by kamarvt on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 11:15:51 AM PST

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      •  apatheist: (4+ / 0-)

        sorry, i misspelled it previously. the term is coined from apathy (lack of caring) and theist (god) to mean i don't know whether there are deities or not and since no proof can be offered one way or another definitively, it makes no difference to how i live my life.  i do not believe that i am allowed to kill, or steal, or cheat and lie but that is not because a god commands me not to but that i am a moral being in my own right.  i do not answer to some other power for my treatment of others or the life i lead; i am responsible for my own actions.  i recently found this concept and realized it was how i felt completely.  the existence of gods can be debated til the cows come home (or we return home) but no one can know for sure so i will life my life according to my ideas of morality and if they dove tail with some higher being's ideas, ok with me.  some people tell me that god talks to them and they talk back to him but i have never had that experience.  when i tried to talk to god, i found i was the one listening and answering so i went from there.  this does not mean there is no god, or that people don't have a personal experience of him but that it makes no difference to how i will conduct myself while i am here.

        •  Empiricist (4+ / 0-)

          I believe the evidence. This is is a positive framing, rather than a negative one (atheist). Likewise, I say that I am in good health, not that I don't have cancer or some other specific condition.

          Did you ver notice how har it is totype accurately on an iPad?

          by RudiB on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 12:00:23 PM PST

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        •  Thanks! (2+ / 0-)
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          Guess I missed that there is an actual term you were laying out there, and I appreciate the explanation.

          "I beg the Lord to grant us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people, the lives of the poor." ~ Pope Francis

          by paz3 on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 07:48:55 AM PST

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          •  i was just as surprized as you are (0+ / 0-)

            that there is a term for this.  when i read it, here on dk a few weeks ago, a light bulb came on above my head.  i had thought for a long time i was an atheist, but i really am just ambivalent about the existence of a god, not dead set against it.  i don't know, and so i have to work to do my best.

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