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  •  Think again. (0+ / 0-)
    The "new market condition" is "you are too expensive for the market." The old producers go out of business.
    How do you know?  You've started out from a presupposition that has yet to be proved, and probably won't be proved.  The capitalist system's energy needs are voracious, and there will be new oil fields as the Arctic ice melts.
    I would still refer to capitalism as robust due to the tendency of people with capital to enthusiastically engage in capitalism.
    Never mind the profit or growth rates.
    Coal is losing now to natural gas
    This is in all likelihood a temporary setback.  

    "We could run the grid on unicorn farts, but if consumption levels remain the same, Gaia will still lose the ability to support many species, including hominids." --Michael Donnelly

    by Cassiodorus on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 09:04:38 PM PST

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    •  How do I know? (0+ / 0-)

      I don't know.

      I hope. I have what I consider pretty good reason to hope - what I was told by a bunch of world-class scientists and engineers in extensive conversations.

      The Forbes quote agrees with what I have seen from a variety of sources about coal v. natural gas. Do you have information suggesting this is a "temporary setback," or merely an overwhelming urge to contradict me?

      •  You have offered information about coal (1+ / 0-)
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        in ONE country.  Are the mines being shut down permanently, or just until the boom in shale gas and tar sands subsides?  Has China stopped using coal?  The Chinese economy runs on the basis of 70% coal, and they open new coal-fueled energy plants there every day.

        "We could run the grid on unicorn farts, but if consumption levels remain the same, Gaia will still lose the ability to support many species, including hominids." --Michael Donnelly

        by Cassiodorus on Sun Dec 01, 2013 at 05:21:00 AM PST

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