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  •  Yeah, snark through and through (8+ / 0-)

    But since you replied, I'll mention one thing.  Holidays are usually accompanied by this kind of eruption.  Watch what happens come Christmas, and you'll see what I mean.  I don't know what it means, but it's sad.

    Secrecy is a hot bed of vanity. - Joseph Brodsky They who have put out the people’s eyes reproach them for their blindness. – John Milton 1642

    by geomoo on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 05:52:17 PM PST

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    •  You mean all that lovely peace and harmony (6+ / 0-)

      people have to pretend to stirs up a backlash? That makes too damn much sense.

      Think it would be a good idea to pull the diary, if all it's doing is helping that along?

      At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

      by serendipityisabitch on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 06:01:24 PM PST

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      •  Oh gosh, I am way too cynical to be answering that (10+ / 0-)

        Such a sweet question.  I don't know why it erupts.  My paranoid self thinks the manipulators like to upset liberals on holidays just for sport.  My psychological self thinks we are all terribly desperate for community and we blame others for the communal dysfunction haunting America, so we lash out on days that are meant to be about solidarity.  Or perhaps it's just too much time on the hands.  Or perhaps the general angst of holidays.  Whatever, I've seen it a few times now--the kinds of fights that tend to go on for a couple of days.

        My honest opinion is that there is nothing to be done about it.  But your sweet attitude, especially if you don't feel entrenched in a side of some on-going feud, will likely do little harm.  The people who always fight will as surely fight in this diary as they would fight anywhere else.  If you value your equanimity, just stay out of it--these are long-running, deep-seeded battles.  

        Some of us view what just happened with Rall as predictable and something we have seen time and time again.  We do not blame Rall; we blame others.  I'll just tell you that straight up, and that is unlikely to change.  I will also tell you that your innocent desire to do with is right and to help has cheered me up considerably.  If you don't delete, don't let anyone get under your skin.  The battle lines have been drawn a long time; if you haven't been following it, there is much more than meets the eye.

        You have a happy rest of the day.

        Secrecy is a hot bed of vanity. - Joseph Brodsky They who have put out the people’s eyes reproach them for their blindness. – John Milton 1642

        by geomoo on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 06:20:46 PM PST

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        •  Thank you. That was exactly the type of comment (7+ / 0-)

          I hoped to draw in - some general perspective on just what's happening, divorced from the specific accusations that are being thrown around.

          I'm not sure I qualify as sweet - it feels more bewildered than anything - but thanks for taking the time to try for some perspective.

          At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

          by serendipityisabitch on Fri Nov 29, 2013 at 06:29:42 PM PST

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      •  I hope you won't pull the diary (2+ / 0-)
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        There has been some good discussion here, and so far (11:30am Sat 11/30), I don't see the discussion degrading into flame wars.

        This thread (so far) just feels like standard-issue early-stage post-conflagration meta, where people are just starting to elucidate their positions and struggling to do so with respect.  That's just imo.

        •  Once geomoo's third comment in, there was no (2+ / 0-)
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          question of pulling anything. I still want more perspective on the whole situation, even though most people are only talking about specific gripes.  Don't know how much I'll get, since this has definitely dropped off the radar now, but I'm still hopeful.

          Thanks for taking the time to add a positive note.

          At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

          by serendipityisabitch on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 09:06:12 AM PST

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    •  That's actually true wrt the holidays. (5+ / 0-)

      That never occurred to me until now.

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