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  •  except that's not how they think (2+ / 0-)
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    JBL55, gffish

    In their minds, if a veteran becomes a liberal, it's because they have a problem with the military and with America.  The system - the thing - is not responsible for the quality of your experience of it; you are.

    Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

    by Visceral on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 11:11:55 AM PST

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    •  I'm sure you're right. (1+ / 0-)
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      And the irony is that so many liberal vets think of the military as one of the best things that ever happened to them.

      My husband's horizons were immeasurably broadened in every conceivable way when he was in the Navy, from traveling around the world to skiing for the first time (in the French Alps, no less) to meeting & working with a variety of people much more diverse than he ever knew in his nearly all-white hometown.  

      He even learned what it feels to hear his commander-in-chief lie to him, as his E-2 squadron supported a number of missions over Cambodia before Nixon insisted we were nowhere near the place.

      After he got out, he earned his BA with the help of the GI Bill, he had many more job opportunities than he would have had without all the electronics training the Navy gave him, and now that he's retired the VA has provided terrific medical care.

      He loves to talk about his time on aircraft carriers, tours of remote areas of Japan arranged by the ship's chaplain, and delicious soups prepared by French innkeepers, and his oldest grandson makes the most of it.  We really hope he decides to enlist in the Navy when the time comes -- he'd benefit a good deal from all it has to teach him and he would give a whole lot back.

      •  I remember (1+ / 0-)
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        having to leave our letters home unsealed so that we couldn't say anything about the Cambodia bombing.  We heard Nixon claiming that we weren't in Cambodia, but we were flying sorties for six months before he finally admitted it.

        I can't say I was particularly fond of being in the service, but 45 years later, I'm still drawing on my experiences in Vietnam.

        "There are times when even normal men must spit in their hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

        by rwgate on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 03:56:36 PM PST

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    •  I was drafted (2+ / 0-)
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      gffish, Anakai

      Did two years of not at all dangerous service ending in 1968.  Made E-5 in two years, never AWOL, never disciplined and honorably discharged.

      Because my service was in a medical unit that could have served as the model for M*A*S*H, I actually had a pretty good time and don't mind the experience at all.  I acknowledge that I escaped
      PTSD, which was the fate of many of my contemporaries.  When I got out I was safe from the cloud over so many of my era, and could conduct my life on my own.

      Vet status is a wonderful thing to have in one's pocket during arguments over who should fight our wars or whether to fight them at all.

      Orwell was an optimist.
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      by RepackRider on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 12:36:01 PM PST

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