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  •  Um... consult timeline for Vietnam War. (5+ / 0-)

    Sure thing, Johnson and McNamara and crew were fools to get into Vietnam after the Kennedy assassination. there's more ways to be crazy than following Kissinger/NeoCon power politics.

    Johnson didn't run in 1968.

    Then the Cambodian invasion was in the 1970s with Nixon. And that was kicked off when PAVN moved four divisions into Cambodia.

    The genocide with Pol Pot reached its peak in 1975 when his Khmer Rouge captured Phnom Penh and slaughtered tens of thousands of city dwellers. The killing went on for years.

    (Reportedly, Pol Pot was not a Republican.)

    •  Operation Menu (9+ / 0-)
      An official United States Air Force record of US bombing activity over Indochina from 1964 to 1973 was declassified by US president Bill Clinton in 2000. The report gives details of the extent of the bombing of Cambodia, as well as of Laos and Vietnam. According to the data, the Air Force began bombing the rural regions of Cambodia along its South Vietnam border in 1965 under the Johnson administration. This was four years earlier than previously believed. The Menu bombings were an escalation of these air attacks. Nixon authorized the use of long-range B-52 bombers to carpet bomb the region.

      Neither is Pol Pot a U.S. President, this diary is about U.S. Presidents.

      No one here supports Pol Pot, so you can put that canard away.

      God spare me the Heart to fight them... I'll fight the Pirates forever. -Mother Jones

      by JayRaye on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 11:26:14 AM PST

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    •  I remember when the Vietnam War started--in order (9+ / 0-)

      to save them/us from Communism or some such. Totally stupid.  Casius Clay/Mohammed Ali was so right when he remarked that no Vietnam person had ever harmed him. And he was so brave to refuse the draft.

      At the time I wrote a letter to the editor suggesting that instead of bombing north Vietnam we just parachute down farm implements and consumer goods to lure 'em away from Communism.  Much less costly and much more effective.

      Our Cold War tactics set us up for nearly endless war. It was the stupidest we have been up until the Bush Jr. era. By then the "neo-cons" had figured out that the draft was too democratic and resulted in civil disobedience.  So they just set up a system where young people who had few or no options were suckered into our steal-the-oil war in Iraq.  (Not, of course, steal the oil from Bush partners the Saudies.)

      The right of the women of this State to be secure in their persons against unreasonable searches shall not be violated by the State legislature.

      by Mayfly on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 01:40:02 PM PST

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      •  Such an appropriate notion--parachuting useful ite (5+ / 0-)

        My friend who lives in Laos sends me photographs of the tons of ordnance dropped on that country being used still for countless things--from homemade bellows, to bridges, to supports for houses, to fence posts.  In those poor, rural cultures, our discarded bombs represent significant wealth even these decades later.  The mismatch in power between the US and Laos, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Yemen--it makes calling these massacres "wars" shameful.  We don't give a second thought to the millions of dollars wasted bombing farmers in Southeast Asia, certainly few of us seem to remember then millions of deaths caused by lying politicians who still seem to be making the decisions.

        Secrecy is a hot bed of vanity. - Joseph Brodsky They who have put out the people’s eyes reproach them for their blindness. – John Milton 1642

        by geomoo on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 02:55:03 PM PST

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      •  You can probably guess who volunteered (1+ / 0-)
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        for that war.

        "Totally stupid."

        You're too kind. To all of us who got sucked.

        •  No, it is all too easy to fool an idealistic young (1+ / 0-)
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          person to the accompaniment of flying flags, drum beating, and  Super-Bowl fervor.  

          IMO the most important thing to teach our children is skepticism, and very few parents do that.

          The right of the women of this State to be secure in their persons against unreasonable searches shall not be violated by the State legislature.

          by Mayfly on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 05:55:30 AM PST

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