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  •  does anyone believe (5+ / 0-)
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    that this petition will make any difference whatsoever?   The red baiting of the Pope would be good grist for the efforts to get advertisers to drop Limbaugh's show. But alas, this petition looks like an empty gesture list building activity to me.

    Frank Cocozzelli has written a useful analysis of the Limbaugh situation. I commend it to you.

    •  IMHO, the value of petitions lies in the power (2+ / 0-)
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      of large groups of people speaking with one voice -- just the energy of that much agreement has power.

      Also, there have been a number of successful political outcomes that have been credited to petitions.

      Hard to know, though.

      Hey Mr. Clarkson.  

      "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

      by rubyr on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 07:17:51 PM PST

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      •  used judiciously (2+ / 0-)
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        I suppose that can be so. But I am speaking specifically of the likely efficacy of this instance.  

        But since you raised the larger issue, from where I sit, it appears that the endless petition campaigns are errant, even if well intentioned efforts. On the other hand, I suspect that there are organizations that launch petitions to little to no effect all the time. It looks like they are doing something, builds the list for fundraising and for more petitions.

        I suspect that if online petition campaigns worked, we would be hearing about how well and how often all the time. Although I may have missed something, maybe even some big somethings, I have yet to see anyone bragging about how effective their petition campaign was in terms of getting results. (And no, raw numbers doing count.)  

        •  I think you may only hear about how well (1+ / 0-)
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          the petitions worked and very often when you sign the petitions. I get emails all of the time detailing how many sigs and the results. I am not saying all petitions work at all and I know they are used for the purposes you list.

          I do believe what I wrote about the power of the energy.

          "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

          by rubyr on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 05:06:26 AM PST

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          •  Generating energy happens lots of ways (0+ / 0-)

            But somehow, passive, online petitions don't strike me as very energetic.

            And while I believe you when you tell me that you get emails discussing positive results from a petition, don't you think it is strange that those who didn't sign any given petition don't hear about the great news?  Where is the energy in that?  

            I am on activist list serves, read political journalism and get a fair amount of email from interest groups (usually asking me to sign a petition or send money -- there does seem to be a connection) but again, I don't recall ever seeing a report of a success story beyond that X number of petition signatures were delivered to Y.  I am always interested in what works and what doesn't work. But in the case of online petitions, it is hard to tell. At least from where I sit.

      •  IMHO, I LOVE to see the rift (8+ / 0-)

        between the Catholics and the evangelical "moral majority" because they've had a helluva powerful political alliance here in America for too many decades.

        "It's not enough to acknowledge privilege. You have to resist." -soothsayer

        by GenXangster on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 10:47:16 PM PST

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        •  What made me think was the enmity towards the (3+ / 0-)
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          Catholics in the John Birch Society.  Since I contend we are seeing the rising of the Birchers once again it will be interesting to see if this Pope causes the original and, I believe, authentic rift the Birchers promoted to be evident to all once again.

          •  Most fundementalists are anti-Catholic, at least (0+ / 0-)

            among themselves. The lynch pin uniting them with Catholics is the abortion issue. It is strange that either side doesn't see that the Conservatives really don't want the abortion issue to go away. If it did they would lose a lot of their "religious" supporters. They are just being strung along. They all talk about personal responsibility, but they are unwilling to let people's choices be left between them and their deity.

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