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  •  That's certainly true (1+ / 0-)
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    But I think he wants to use the power of persuasion, at least at first. My point was that the pronouncements fall well outside those topics where the Pope's word is infallible.  

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 11:25:55 PM PST

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    •  I don't know that I agree. (4+ / 0-)

      I have a feeling Pope Francis won't use infallibility unless he sees a need simply because he doesn't seem to be interested in the trappings of his position.

      But I disagree that this is outside the purview of what might be pronounced.

      As our friends at Wiki explain:

      For a teaching by a pope or ecumenical council to be recognized as infallible, the teaching must be a decision of the supreme teaching authority of the Church* (pope or College of Bishops); it must concern a doctrine of faith or morals; it must bind the universal Church; and it must be proposed as something to be held firmly and immutably.

      I think it would be perfectly proper (and perfectly accepted by almost all of the third-world clergy and most of the lay Church) for Pope Francis to reiterate the teachings of Christ as caring for least among us as one of the highest and most proper roles of the Holy Catholic Church, with the Church serving from a position of humility.  

      It is, after all, what Jesus told  his Disciples to do:

      Calling the Twelve to him, he began to send them out two by two and gave them authority over impure spirits.

      8 These were his instructions: “Take nothing for the journey except a staff—no bread, no bag, no money in your belts. 9 Wear sandals but not an extra shirt. 10 Whenever you enter a house, stay there until you leave that town. 11 And if any place will not welcome you or listen to you, leave that place and shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them.”

      12 They went out and preached that people should repent. 13 They drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them.

      mark 6:7-13

      Every Catholic knows this is what Jesus taught us. Most admit that the Church has lost its way (to themselves if not their friends). Doctrine doesn't have to be making up brand new ideas. It can be a statement saying "this is who we are."

      My guess is that few Catholics -- other than the very richest and most miserly Catholics -- will quibble with a pronouncement like that; and many former Catholics, seeing such a formal pronouncement recommitting to Jesus' teachings, might return.

      © grover

      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 12:56:52 AM PST

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      •  grover - the Pope is not infallible on the topic (0+ / 0-)

        of economic justice. This one isn't even a close call. That doesn't mean that he can't have a significant impact using his bully pulpit, but no Catholic is required to agree with his views on this topic to remain in good standing.  

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 06:44:43 AM PST

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