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  •  We're 15 Years Along in the 20-30 Yr Plan. (4+ / 0-)

    Nobody younger than beatniks believes they can depend on it.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 09:44:35 AM PST

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    •  I think what has changed since Bush is that (3+ / 0-)

      they won't bundle the cuts and the expansion of the mandatory private scheme(s) in one bill.

      They're going to pretend they're "not privatizing".  Just cutting, then creating more of a private scheme, then cutting, then...

      "I read New republic and Nation/I've learned to take every view.." P. Ochs

      by JesseCW on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 09:50:21 AM PST

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      •  Inserting (1+ / 0-)
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        freedom and flexibility.  And banking on the chance that more and more people will know nothing of the market and believe that 401k's are the path to nirvana.  I believe 2008 crash set them back a number of years but this is long game.  Keep working on the doubts that SS will be there to support anyone currently under 55.  Undermine the confidence and keep pressure toward privatization.

        "I'm not left wing because i'm ideological, or passionate, or angry. I'm left wing because I'm informed." - Mikesco

        by newfie on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 12:36:45 PM PST

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    •  I am not so cynical (1+ / 0-)
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      I am certainly younger than beatniks. One of the things we need to do is keep writing the counter narrative.

      As I wrote in another comment today the path to retirement security is having employees pay into both SS and a contributory bassed DB pension. I saved a total of 25% towards my retirement between my contributions and my employer contributions. Employer contributions are actually deferred salary.

      Because I "paid twice" I will have a decent retirement. What we need to do is remind them that the 401k system has failed to meet retirement saving needs.

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