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  •  Well Nowhere in the Article Does Anyone (5+ / 0-)

    (including the professor) claim the professor was "constantly interrupted," so I'll assume you've seen a video of the actual goings on in the classroom that I haven't seen and defer to your judgment.

    I would say that if a student in my classroom were constantly interrupting, I would ask them to leave because they're interrupting class as opposed to goading them to "go file a racial discimination complaint..." but that's just me.

    •  She was interruped at least twice (4+ / 0-)

      and both times it was the same objection

    •  If they were constantly interrupting you (3+ / 0-)
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      and accusing you of discriminating against you then you'd just ask them to leave?

      And seriously, this whole thing boils down to white dudes felt bad learning that white people are responsible for racism so they filed a grievance. And of course the college has now managed to alienate one of it's few remaining black professors. Which has nothing to do with white men harassing people of color, I'm sure.

      Same shit as always, "We don't have definitive proof of racism so it must be really complicated and the black woman's fault." Every damn time.

      If only it were always the president subject to racism so everyone would be against it every time.

      If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

      by AoT on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 11:44:56 AM PST

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      •  See I'm Able to Admit When I Don't Know Things (4+ / 0-)

        And I don't know what happened in the classroom.

        You don't either, but you're willing to make stuff up and pretend you know it to support your view.

        I can only tell based on her own description of events that she's not a good instructor.  I am completely open to the possibility that her students that complained are ALSO racist dicks whose complaints were without merit.

        •  You admit both that you don't know (2+ / 0-)
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          what happened and that you know she's not a good instructor?

          If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

          by AoT on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 11:55:27 AM PST

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          •  Based Purely On Her Own Account (6+ / 0-)

            She's not a good instructor.  I guess if I'm going to be really open minded, I have to be open to the possibility that she actually handled it well and is lying to the media about it.

          •  She probably *is* a good instructor, but (3+ / 0-)
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            from her account it does not sound like she handled that situation especially well. The class, as I recall, is "Introduction to Media Studies", which sounds like the kind of required 100-level course that gets passed off between several different faculty members. She may very well have been given a course that doesn't play to her strengths.  The student was quoted as saying "Why do we always talk about this?" In the context of a 100-level course (if that's what this is) that can be a valid complaint regardless of the topic.

            Teaching those kind of  courses can be a difficult task. In large part because many of the students are NOT there of their own free will and do NOT have the option of leaving/changing if they don't like the syllabus. I'm very willing to believe that these students are racist creeps, but that doesn't mean she did a good job teaching or that she handled the situations appropriately.

      •  I Just Realized I Didn't Answer Your Question (5+ / 0-)

        Yes, I would ask them to leave.

        And I would probably do it without encouraging them to go file a racial discrimination complaint.

        •  It sounded to me like she did that (4+ / 0-)

          in a pretty reasonable way.

          I won't be surprised if we find out these kids are in the white student union or college republicans. It's exactly the sort of asshole stunt those groups would pull, especially en masse like this.

          If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

          by AoT on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 12:00:35 PM PST

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          •  "If You Don't Like It (0+ / 0-)

            ...Go file a racial discrimination complaint."

            I guess I don't agree that that is reasonable.

            •  The actual quote was not that (2+ / 0-)
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              When you use quotes you should in fact use the actual words spoken. Which were in this case: “if you’re really upset, feel free to go down to legal affairs and file a racial harassment discrimination complaint.” That's much less dismissive and unreasonable than the reactionary quote you made up. That sounds like a reasonable response to someone who is in class and yelling about how you're oppressing them and targeting them. And it's exactly what someone who is the target of racism should do, no?

              If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

              by AoT on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 01:05:27 PM PST

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          •  It sounds to me as though the kids (3+ / 0-)
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            were shocked to find out what they were going to be discussing. The course was apparently called "Introduction to Mass Communication" and the syllabus usually not given out till the first or even second class.

            I'll bet they never heard of structural racism, and had no idea what race has to do with communication. They most likely felt that the teacher was taking advantage of her authority talking about race at all. I can just hear them whining about having to listen to all that "Black" stuff.

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