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  •  She explicitly said that she wasn't singling them (2+ / 0-)
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    out.

    When Gibney attempted, again, to inform the students that they were mistaking a systemic critique for a personal attack, the students continued to argue.
    They're some white dudes who got pissed because she was talking about racism and they decided it was about them. They made it about them, not her. I've seen this a million times and ever time the white dude can't imagine that the person talking about racism isn't talking about them.

    If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

    by AoT on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 12:53:39 PM PST

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    •  somehow I don't think that... (1+ / 0-)
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      ..one person's side of a discussion is demonstrative proof of what everyone said. The only outside commentary is from the sanction letter. That DOESNT mean it's correct, but it does mean that simply accepting what she says at face value as truth is inadvisable.

      •  Why is it inadvisable? (2+ / 0-)
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        People accept a professors side at face value is the norm. That's their job. That's exactly what grades are. And yet now that it's a black woman who's saying it it's summarily dismissed as being inadvisable to trust her. Because 20 year old, or so, white dudes would never, ever make up lies about black women.

        If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

        by AoT on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 01:11:53 PM PST

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        •  grades are one thing (0+ / 0-)

          It's not the norm in an administrative proceeding to acccept any one side at face value without looking at proof.  Would you advise taking the side of a male professor in a sexual harassment complaint by a female graduate assistant, for example?

        •  Because you are saying.... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...you take her at her word because it sides with what you want to believe in this situation. Perhaps it is correct, but given that the letter from the dean portrays a potentially different scenario, it is too simple to say "i believe this one and not that."

          You're saying you believe the professor. The dean is also a professor. And there are just too many questions in this story that aren't answered - PARTICULARLY whether this was what she was talking about ever day in a class that was supposed to be teaching students about writing, for the purpose of allowing them to move on to classes about race, sex, etc. in communications.

          Botton line here: I take no one at their word, not the professor and not the dean. I want to hear more, from other people in the class. There are plenty of witnesses - before concluding what is true, we should hear from them. If they agree with the professor, then this is an outrageous scenario. If not, then it is a bad example of a real problem and undermines the discussion of the real problem.

          •  Because it conforms with my experience (4+ / 0-)

            Not what I want to believe. My experience is that white dudes constantly accuse women of color of attacking them when the woman of color is pointing out structural racism. All the fucking time. This is one more data point. On the opposite side, I have very rarely seen a black woman attack a white man for being white, and every time it has happened it has not been in academia. Black women know well and good what would happen in academia if they did that, as this absurdity shows. Black women can hardly talk about race in a neutral way without white dudes getting all outraged.

            If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

            by AoT on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 01:27:32 PM PST

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        •  Your statement (1+ / 0-)
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          People accept a professors side at face value is the norm.
          is just not true.
          •  Nor should it be true [nt] (1+ / 0-)
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            •  Whether it should or shouldn't be true (1+ / 0-)
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              It is in fact true for the most part. More often than not people accept the Professor as an expert and an authority. Occasionally that is not he case, but mostly it is. That equation is flipped on it's head when it's a black woman talking about race to white men. I've seen it again and again.

              If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

              by AoT on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 02:19:42 PM PST

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              •  as an authority on what they teach (0+ / 0-)

                Not an expert on interpersonal relations and behavior.
                It's one thing to accept a professor of, European history as an expert on the Black Plague or the Spanish Inquisition but not as an expert as to whether he behaved himself appropriately with relation to his students. And of course, even experts get things wrong in their field.

                •  Part of her professional expertise (3+ / 0-)

                  is racism. She was teaching it. And yet despite that she is ignored completely by a huge number of people.

                  If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

                  by AoT on Tue Dec 03, 2013 at 02:56:57 PM PST

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                  •  she's a professor (0+ / 0-)

                    of English and journalism, not race studies or sociology. And whether is an expert or not on the subject of racism has no bearing on whether her version of the facts of the dispute between her and her students is correct. The university has found that it was not. http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/...

                    •  She's taught this same thing for years (0+ / 0-)

                      This is something that you learn in an English and journalism program if you have a half way decent education. It isn't as if English and Journalism are magically exempt from racism.

                      If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

                      by AoT on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 01:29:14 PM PST

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