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  •  This is why I prefer testing... (0+ / 0-) make sure we're making it.  Massachusetts has it and I have to believe there is a connection.  Any chance you can add a link to the full results?

    •  Here's the PISA site, 1st 2012 results today (1+ / 0-)
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    •  My mother taught for 40 plus years (0+ / 0-)

      She despised standardized tests because she felt that they were an attempt to turn out cookie cutter students who all knew the same things, and that such teaching stifles creativity because students aren't the same--each student is an individual, with different interests and abilities.  Trying to force a single education upon all students won't further societies goals, though it will force teachers to teach to a specific test that a bureaucrat somewhere has decreed that every student must know.  If standardized tests should be taken by every student, then every student should have to pass a test consisting of welding two steel pipes together end-to-end (that was her example, not mine).

      •  My view of what to do with education may be harsh (0+ / 0-)

        One of the first things we need to do is recognize that all students are not college bound.  We also need to realize and grasp the fact that not all students will do well.  Not all will succeed academically.   Too much focus in the US has been on trying to bring the bottom up and the price is being paid by those at the top (top as in those who will succeed academically, not in monetary wealth).

        As a society we should be pulling out all of the stops for those who can and will succeed in school.  The best of the best should be provided for them: teachers, facilities, resources, tuition.  We should provide the opportunity for everyone who can and will succeed to get a PhD in their chosen field and help them become the best of what the nation has to offer.  

        For those who can't or won't succeed at school, we should provide alternative career paths.  We need people to fill a multitude of skilled labor positions and we should help them to become the best of the best in those fields.

        For those that remain, those who won't do diddly squat, those who choose to be a behavioral problem, disrupt the class, etc, those who are on the school to prison line,  I say we give them a shovel as we also need ditch diggers.

      •  Agreed! (0+ / 0-)

        There is a real danger in trying to get everyone to do the same thing at the same time.  While, certainly students may achieve on a standardized test, the cookie cutter students won't be good for society.  In an ideal world the PISA wouldn't exist, but since policy makers take such stock in them, it would be helpful if they could understand what kind of reforms might help all students.

    •  Link to results (0+ / 0-)

      Good are the full results from NCES.

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