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  •  All you've proven is that (8+ / 0-)

    they got the tenure of Ted's membership wrong.

    Which sounded like a technicality, especially when declared as "many." It still sound so, because otherwise you're making assertions, not arguments.

    Trust, but verify. - Reagan
    Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

    When the rich have tripled their share of the income and wealth yet again, Republicans will still blame the poor and 3rd Way Democrats will still negotiate.

    by Words In Action on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 01:12:21 PM PST

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    •  So you want me to point out more of the (0+ / 0-)

      failures ? You can't see them for yourself ?

      All you've proven is that
      they got the tenure of Ted's membership wrong.
      I only pointed out one ,
      one that was easy for them to see the truth of ,
      it is not debatable ,
      they should have found that truth for themselves ,
      there is no excuse for getting that wrong .

      Are you willing to say that everything other than that
      is correct in the video ? Or do you already see the problems ?

      "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

      by indycam on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 01:22:52 PM PST

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      •  If there is an issue of substance . . . (9+ / 0-)

        . . . please feel free to point it out.  The posturing and gotcha behavior is just annoying.  Of course, it is no surprise that someone would attempt to discredit the entire video in one sweep of the hand while pointing to only a minor error as proof.  After all, a depiction of Obama in keeping with Rall's depictions of all people is the sole "proof" being offered for such claims as that he is a racist, more shamelessly mercenary than a prostitute, and a liar, among many other things.

        It is natural that this would happen, because the battle was never over substance, it was always over image, over who is worthy to be listened to and who should have no voice.  Instead of discussing with integrity the admittedly sticky aspects to this story, you would have us discredit the video in its entirety as fatally flawed and not worth discussion.  If the person had posted the video on dkos, I have very little doubt that he or she would be called a whore and worse.  All in the name of compassion and tolerance.

        Secrecy is a hot bed of vanity. - Joseph Brodsky They who have put out the people’s eyes reproach them for their blindness. – John Milton 1642

        by geomoo on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 01:36:51 PM PST

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        •  Thank you. (4+ / 0-)
          The posturing and gotcha behavior is just annoying.

          Trust, but verify. - Reagan
          Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

          When the rich have tripled their share of the income and wealth yet again, Republicans will still blame the poor and 3rd Way Democrats will still negotiate.

          by Words In Action on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 01:56:10 PM PST

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        •  Cool . (0+ / 0-)
          Of course, it is no surprise that someone would attempt to discredit the entire video in one sweep of the hand while pointing to only a minor error as proof.
          Its minor that they got that wrong and ran with it , in your opinion .
          If there is an issue of substance . . .
          . . . please feel free to point it out.
          I did already but you don't see it that way .

          Do you see any other problems in the video ?
          Or are you saying that there are no other problems ?

          "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

          by indycam on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 02:53:59 PM PST

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          •  You made the charge (7+ / 0-)

            It is up to you to support it.  If you can't support it, then stfu.

            I watched the video once.  I'm not going to watch it again on the basis of some kind of double dog dare from you.  I think they got the important aspects of the story quite right.

            I will repeat, if you think they got something important wrong, then feel free to point it out and we can discuss it.  What is disgusting and lacking in integrity is pointing to a mistake (if it is one--I don't know when Rall joined dkos) which actually makes the claims being made seem less egregious than they actually are, and on the basis of that claim, attempt to discredit the entire video, all without bothering to discuss a single topic of importance.  It's empty fluff.  It's bullshit.  And I say you are full of shit, but well done for riding one nitpick well into the right margin without adding a single new thing to the discussion.  Distraction, after all, is the name of the game.

            Secrecy is a hot bed of vanity. - Joseph Brodsky They who have put out the people’s eyes reproach them for their blindness. – John Milton 1642

            by geomoo on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 03:08:12 PM PST

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            •  I wil do what I like , first the ground work . (0+ / 0-)

              Do you see anything wrong in the video , yes or no ?

              I think they got the important aspects of the story quite right.
              OK , I already guessed that was your opinion . But it doesn't answer my question .

              If you can't be bothered to say truthfully one way or the other ,

              then stfu.
              yourself .
              I watched the video once.  I'm not going to watch it again on the basis of some kind of double dog dare from you.
              How very interesting , one whole time ? Please point out where I dared you at all let alone did a double dog dare . If you can't then that's just posturing and games .
              I suggest you watch it a few more times and decide for yourself if there are or are not any other problems with the video .
              What is disgusting and lacking in integrity is pointing to a mistake (if it is one--I don't know when Rall joined dkos)
              Funny you don't know , when I have posted in this very diary his info . You did see that didn't you ?
              http://www.dailykos.com/...

              If you wish to discus this video and the problems it has , perhaps you should act like you really do .

              "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

              by indycam on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 03:33:33 PM PST

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              •  Fuck you and fuck your interrogation of me. (6+ / 0-)

                Do you have something to say or don't you?  I already said my peace elsewhere in several substantive comments.

                The saddest thing is that this sort of shit typifies the crap that comes out of the obfuscators on this site.  Empty, personalized, accusatory bullshit devoid of content and empty of serious engagement with the issues of the day.

                Secrecy is a hot bed of vanity. - Joseph Brodsky They who have put out the people’s eyes reproach them for their blindness. – John Milton 1642

                by geomoo on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 03:52:51 PM PST

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              •  Six comments . . . (8+ / 0-)

                Starting with a claim that they got "many" facts wrong and listing one inconsequential one.  In fact, if Rall had been a member for a year before this happened, then that would be more damning.  Challenged to support the initial claim, you throw pie for five more comments.

                And this is what dailykos is doing instead of discussing Obama's attempts to extend the never-ending war in Afghanistan.  This thread exemplifies what is wrong with this site.

                Which seems more important:  that the video made a mistake on the length of Obama's participation on dkos?  Or that candidate Obama was lying when he said he would bring the troops home from Afghanistan?

                Secrecy is a hot bed of vanity. - Joseph Brodsky They who have put out the people’s eyes reproach them for their blindness. – John Milton 1642

                by geomoo on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 04:21:59 PM PST

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              •  The word many doesn't mean (2+ / 0-)
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                ek hornbeck, TheMomCat

                what you think it means. Well unless you could actually prove that it does

                Victim of the system~Bob Marley

                by LaEscapee on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 07:19:28 PM PST

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