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  •  Eating less meat is good for the environment (3+ / 0-)
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    but so what?

    I am not into the whole vegan movement,

    But Id wager eating less meat is a good thing.

    But at the same time id wager that the majority of Americans would rather eat vegans than give up eating meat.

    I often question the sanity of those who are pushing reducing meat consumption as a viable method to reduce environmental damage.

    •  Standby. (1+ / 0-)
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      You are about to witness the results of not heading the "insanity" of those pushing reduced meat consumption.

      Actually, you can get a preview right now: http://climatecrocks.com/

      Reaganomics noun pl: blind faith that unregulated capitalism can provide unlimited goods for unlimited people on a planet with finite resources. Synonyms: trickle-down; voodoo economics. Antonyms: common sense. Related Words: Laffer curve.

      by FrY10cK on Sun Dec 22, 2013 at 04:43:07 AM PST

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    •  You "question the sanity" ? Really ? (0+ / 0-)

      Kos = Vegan
      Meteor Blades = Vegetarian
      Al Gore = Vegan
      VL Baker = Vegetarian or Vegan
      Me = Vegetarian

      Have you calculated your carbon foot print ?
      https://www.google.com/...

      "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

      by indycam on Sun Dec 22, 2013 at 09:08:45 AM PST

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      •  I think he's referring to (1+ / 0-)
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        The idea that anybody is going to convince any significant number of people to not eat meat anymore.

        I think it's unfortunate too that the actual cause of global warming is being conflated with this, but oh well.

        Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

        by yet another liberal on Sun Dec 22, 2013 at 09:13:04 AM PST

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        •  Eh ? (0+ / 0-)
          the actual cause of global warming is being conflated with this, but oh well.
          What is the "actual cause" and what is it being "conflated with" ?

          "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

          by indycam on Sun Dec 22, 2013 at 09:32:50 AM PST

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          •  Digging up carbon from the ground (0+ / 0-)

            And then burning it and putting it into the air.

            This is what is causing global warming.  Any other factors are contributing factors, such as methane in cow farts and unsustainable farming practices.

            Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

            by yet another liberal on Sun Dec 22, 2013 at 09:35:03 AM PST

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            •  So if I use carbon dug up from the ground (1+ / 0-)
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              to move my car around , that causes global warming ?
              But if I use that carbon dug up from the ground to
              make meat , that doesn't cause global warming ?

              "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

              by indycam on Sun Dec 22, 2013 at 10:02:24 AM PST

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              •  Yes, it obviously does (0+ / 0-)

                But persuading people to be a vegetarian because it will fix global warming is delusional in the extreme.

                Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

                by yet another liberal on Sun Dec 22, 2013 at 10:14:13 AM PST

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                •  So trying to get people to reduce their carbon (0+ / 0-)

                  footprint via a vegetarian diet is

                  delusional in the extreme.
                  http://www.worldwatch.org/...
                  It takes, on average, 28 calories of fossil fuel energy to produce 1 calorie of meat protein for human consumption, [whereas] it takes only 3.3 calories of fossil- fuel energy to produce 1 calorie of protein from grain for human consumption.
                  —David Pimentel, Cornell University
                  I'll stand with the people who are trying to go towards a smaller carbon footprint , I'll stand with the people trying to get others to reduce their carbon footprint via diet choices .

                  "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

                  by indycam on Sun Dec 22, 2013 at 10:21:53 AM PST

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                  •  It took, on average, right (0+ / 0-)

                    That data is based on present farming practices, right?

                    Further, it averages all meats.  I saw it broken out before and beef was like 4 times as large of a footprint than chicken.

                    Basically, they could probably reduce carbon emissions by changing farming practices.  (of course, that won't happen either since big ag pwns congress).

                    Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

                    by yet another liberal on Sun Dec 22, 2013 at 10:45:10 AM PST

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                    •  I got them to change . (0+ / 0-)
                      Basically, they could probably reduce carbon emissions by changing farming practices.  (of course, that won't happen either since big ag pwns congress).
                      They produce no meat for me , I do not buy meat . I but veggie . I have reduced my carbon footprint .
                       

                      "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

                      by indycam on Sun Dec 22, 2013 at 10:51:49 AM PST

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                  •  Yes because it wont happen (0+ / 0-)

                    Moving the earth further away from the sun, would reduce global warming.

                    It just aint gonna happen.

                    To be a sane approach you need two criteria.

                    1)It can work in theory.
                    2)You can actually implement the idea.

                    In all honesty the carbon footprint spent on people trying to push this, on the internet is probably larger than the carbon footprint saved by people trying to reduce meat consumption due to this effort.

                •  "delusional in the extreme" ? (0+ / 0-)
                  Albert Einstein, who was better known for his physics and math than for his interest in the living world, once said:
                  “Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.” We don’t think he was just talking about nutrition. Notice that in this article we haven’t said much at all about the role of meat in nutrition, even though there’s a lot more to talk about than heart disease. Nor have we gone into the ethics of vegetarianism, or of animal rights. The purpose of those omissions is not to brush off those concerns, but to point out that on ecological and economic grounds alone, meat-eating is now a looming problem for humankind. You don’t have to have any conscience at all to know that the age of heavy meat-eating will soon be over as surely as will the age of oil—and that

                  "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

                  by indycam on Sun Dec 22, 2013 at 10:31:09 AM PST

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                  •  Einstein? (0+ / 0-)

                    That's funny.

                    Reminds of a joke about Jesus and Michael Jordan in a basketball game.  Who would win?

                    Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

                    by yet another liberal on Sun Dec 22, 2013 at 10:55:53 AM PST

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                    •  I'll stand with Einstein (0+ / 0-)

                      and not you . Its no joke .

                      Nobel Prize in Physics, Copley Medal, Franklin Medal, Max Planck Medal, Matteucci Medal, Gold Medal of the Royal Astronomical Society
                      Albert Einstein reinterpreted the inner workings of nature, the very essence of light, time, energy and gravity. His insights fundamentally changed the way we look at the universe--and made him the most famous scientist of the 20th century.

                      "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

                      by indycam on Sun Dec 22, 2013 at 11:07:54 AM PST

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