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  •  When China has to relocate 30,000,000 (3+ / 0-)
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    From the Shanghai flood plain, the ADIZ will be meaningless. The Senkakus will be 30% smaller. And they will realize that "Defense" is pure bullshit, compared with Mother Nature. Hopefully 'We" will have realized that too, by then.

    Focus on the love! The Republicans can keep the disco.

    by Mr Horrible on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 04:55:53 AM PST

    •  The Chinese aren't the slightest bit interested in (3+ / 0-)
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      the land of the Senkakus. It is entirely about the resources in and especially under the seas surrounding them. What the Chinese wish to defend is a claim to those resources.

      •  Though I take your point about those islands being (1+ / 0-)
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        a second or third order issue when trying to manage 1.3 Billion people through an epoch of massive change - economic, social and environmental.
        They are easing up on the one child policy, which shows they starting to be responsive to the social pressures that will eventually improve human rights in China, but how many more Chinese (and the rest of us) can the earth sustain?

        •  That's what the nationalism is for: (2+ / 0-)
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          the government is trying to use nationalism as a tool to maintain control during an epoch of massive change...which China is already thirty years into, in a sense.

          If Hobby Lobby is against contraception, why does it buy its inventory from China, the country that limits the number of children by law?

          by Inland on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 08:25:39 AM PST

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          •  all governments use nationalism (1+ / 0-)
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            during times of crisis.

            The Chinese government is certainly stoking nationalist sentiment, knowing that the Chinese economic miracle will surely crash at some point. Rather than reforming their economy to accommodate a growing middle class and trying to fix environmental damage, it's easier to play the nationalist card.

            Question is, if there's a regime change in China, will the new government be more nationalist, or less nationalist than this one? That depends to a great extent on what American foreign policy is in the Pacific.

            "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

            by limpidglass on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 08:35:20 AM PST

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            •  I don't think the US has much to do with it. (1+ / 0-)
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              The position staked out by the US on these islands is remarkably similar to the position on Taiwan: aside from avoiding war to achieve a result, the US has no position at all.   That's a stance that is widely accepted.  

              Whether that is heard by the Chinese people depends on the government, which we have no control over.

              If Hobby Lobby is against contraception, why does it buy its inventory from China, the country that limits the number of children by law?

              by Inland on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 08:52:22 AM PST

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