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  •  Solar is now very affordable... (1+ / 0-)
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    unless it's also Bacon Davis or other really high wages. I mean, we'd all like $45/hour for basic labor, but realistically, what will this do to the price of installations?

    The number of children and teens killed by guns in one year would fill 134 classrooms of 20 students each. (Chlldren's Defense Fund, 2013)

    by nzanne on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 04:13:36 PM PST

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    •  Umm, prevailing wage varies a lot (6+ / 0-)

      I worked at a federal hospital on a Davis-Bacon contract within the last decade where the Davis-Bacon wage for an ELECTRICIAN was under $10/hr.  It's all about the locale.  Certainly that's not typical, it was an IHS hospital on a rural Indian reservation, but paying a prevailing wage to workers on federal projects should not be under assault from Democrats.

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      by benamery21 on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 04:24:56 PM PST

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      •  wow, that's good to know. (0+ / 0-)

        Basic installers (non electricians) start at $45/hr + locally, which is really hard to handle.

        Please don't get me wrong: electricians deserve that and more, but guys who are just "panelizing" on their first job need to work up the field a bit.

        The number of children and teens killed by guns in one year would fill 134 classrooms of 20 students each. (Chlldren's Defense Fund, 2013)

        by nzanne on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 04:56:04 PM PST

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        •  My Dad's self-employed (0+ / 0-)

          In the mid-80's he got in trouble with the Department of Labor for paying Davis-Bacon laborer rates to "lay pipe" basically glue PVC electrical conduit together and lay it in the trench for a project that lasted a few months (miles of conduit doing something that can be learned in about 15 minutes).  He had gone out and recruited young unemployed guys with no previous experience, to help them get their foot in the door in construction.  He ended up having to give them back pay as electricians (roughly double, probably in the mid-20's then in that locale) after the job was over.    

          Iron sharpens Iron. Normal is a dryer setting. STOP illegal immigration NOW! -- Make it LEGAL. If Corporations are People--Let's draft them.

          by benamery21 on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 05:08:22 PM PST

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        •  those are called apprentices. (0+ / 0-)

          they make less

    •  We've tried to get rooftop solar (4+ / 0-)
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      but it's still too expensive here in Louisville for us. It takes about 15 years to pay for itself, too. We need more tax incentives or other price-lowering mechanisms. I WANT rooftop solar.  (I did change my water heater to a tankless solar heater and that has been a huge ecological/economic gain.)

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      by SouthernLeveller on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 04:52:14 PM PST

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