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    a few islands and isolated grids in the lower 48.  Some examples would include Catalina island off SoCal, or Block Island in the NE.  There are a fair number of small isolated grids even in places like SoCal (I know because I built a few of them in a previous life, and I get regular requests from them checking on the cost of line extensions at my utility).  The compressor station in the movie Erin Brockovich has a 2MW aux power grid serving the cooling fans, lights controls, etc on the 80,000HP or so of directfired gas compressors.  Mines, Railroads, very isolated farmers, etc still generate off-grid, and I suspect a lot of that gets counted as industrial use diesel rather than power production.

    Hawaii, and Alaska burn most of the <1% of oil we still burn in power production in the U.S.

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    by benamery21 on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 06:46:41 PM PST

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    •  well both will change fast (2+ / 0-)
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      both alaska and hawaii are naturals for renewables.

      very high costs of fossil fuels.

      •  Pretty much everybody else changed first (0+ / 0-)

        We got off petroleum for power in the rest of the country after the 70's oil crises.

        A major federally funded hydro project for the railbelt would make a big difference to Alaskans.  Wind-diesel hybrid and village interties will save money for the villages (their fuel costs are subsidized, though).

        A major geothermal project on Hawaii and undersea transmission grid to Oahu, via Maui, with ties to Molokai and Lanai, would make a big difference to Hawaiians.  Wind and PV all over and small pumped storage should be included.  You aren't going to serve Oahu's load with local renewables.  The ocean cooling thing for downtown is pretty cool though.

        The feds should have paid for both the hydro and the geothermal with undersea link 30 years ago.

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        by benamery21 on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 07:57:02 PM PST

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        •  Hydro is not without environmental cost (0+ / 0-)

          Hydro devastated the salmon and steelhead runs of the Columbia river as well as on many other rivers from British Columbia to Northern CA.  Any time a dam is suggested you are going to have an epic environmental battle, so the era of dam building is likely over everywhere in the U.S.

          •  Biggest chinook run since 1938 (2+ / 0-)
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            on the Columbia.  We're learning.

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            by benamery21 on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 09:00:35 PM PST

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