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  •  Here's what mystifies me (10+ / 0-)

    At the outset, any Republican with an ounce of political savvy would have tried to work with Dem lawmakers and the administration. Since Obamacare originated as a conservative alternative to socialized medicine, the GOP could later take some credit for any successes. Build up good will, earn political capital, bide time until you could spend it...

    But that's not the path the GOTP chose, now is it?

    •  Because...Socialism! n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      NeverThere, eyesoars

      "If you lose your sense of humor, it's just not funny anymore" Wavy Gravy

      by offgrid on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 07:36:03 PM PST

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    •  If Politics Were Dominated By Votrs You'd Be Right (3+ / 0-)
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      splashy, defluxion10, Bulldozer

      This is a democratic oligarchy now, and the oligarchs want 1933 repealed. And everything after it.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 07:41:54 PM PST

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    •  Because they were told to fight it (0+ / 0-)

      By the right wing wealthy. There was a diary about how Obamacare is partly paid for by higher taxes on the wealthy, who hate parting with a dime.

      It's as simple as that. After all, they are the lapdogs for the wealthy, and are wealthy themselves.



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      by splashy on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 09:37:08 PM PST

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    •  No, they followed the Bill Kristol plan from 1993 (0+ / 0-)

      for killing "HillaryCare", which only worked because purist Democrats wouldn't vote for the resulting bill, thus delaying any action for 20 years. And why, you ask, did they do that then and again now? Let Kristol tell you.

      The sum of all GOP fears

      But the...proposal is also a serious political threat to the Republican Party...It will revive the reputation of the party that spends and regulates, the Democrats, as the generous protector of middle-class interests. And it will at the same time strike a punishing blow against Republican claims to defend the middle class by restraining government.
      That is,
      • to defend the middle class against being able to keep their insurance when they get sick
      • to defend the middle class against being guaranteed coverage for pre-existing conditions
      • to defend the middle class against having their out-of-pocket expenses capped
      • to defend the middle class against protection from medical bankruptcies
      • to defend the middle class against having access to ER service, because their ER shut down due to unfunded mandates for saving the lives of the uninsured in states that refuse to expand Medicaid

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 10:59:16 PM PST

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    •  Health care is not the issue; neither is health (0+ / 0-)

      insurance, although the insurance companies are important to what really matters to Congress -- holding on to their offices.
      What seems to have happened since the country accepted fiat currency wholeheartedly and, quite coincidentally, the country's natural resources started to run out, is that Congress discovered the ease and convenience of doling out dollars, or withholding them from suspect populations, instead of dispensing rights (water, logging, mining, fishing, trading, docking, etc.) to insure their incumbency. The problem with "mandatory" programs, such as the self-funded retirement, medical care and unemployment compensation programs, is that they deprive individual Congressmen of the opportunity to direct dollars towards the electorate or their employers that is most likely to support the status quo. To a large extent, the "privatizers" have been hoist with their own petard. What started as an effort to relieve Congress of duties and obligations via contracts and grants has morphed into a system that shuts their individual input out.

      If the shutdown proved anything, it was that Congress has rendered itself virtually irrelevant. The President can order the Treasury to pay the country's bills and Congress' authorizations and approrpriations are largely a formality. Just as not passing a budget for several years has demonstrated that the budget is just for show and has no standing in the law. While state constitutions and the charters of smaller political subdivisions mandate a budget and even balance, the Congressional budget is an exercise in granstanding for the media. All the allocations and special interests are served in committees, mostly by structuring contract specification so that only a targeted exception will qualify. Since the object of these machinations is not immediate personal enrichment, but merely the interest in continuing in "public service" (a laudable ambition), tailormade contracts and grants can't be defined as either extortion or bribes. Nevertheless, the system is corrupt because the public purse is being used to promote personal ambition, rather than the public welfare.

      Anyway, medical services for all, however the system is structured, has been perceived as a bridge too far. Direct payments from the Treasury to medical care providers and to sustain the infra-structure that sustains them is a gigantic chunk of dollars over which Congress will have no control. Instead, individual consumers of the health care will decide what's useful and what's not and the Treasury will have to pay.
      When you come right down to it, the Treasury is a single payer. All our dollars come from it. So, "single-payer" was sort of a mis-nomer or even a dysphemism. The issue is not who pays, but how many middlemen take a cut for doing nothing along the way. The Medicare bureaucracy has been demonstrated to take a cut of 3%. The private insurance companies have been guaranteed a cut of 15% over expenses. While that seems exorbitant, it really isn't important as long as 85% of each dollar actually pays for health care. That's a lot better than the record urban renewal contractors and developers produced. Although builders had a 15% profit margin built into their contracts, the majority of urban renewal projects ever saw a shovel in the ground after the old stuff was torn down.

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      by hannah on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 04:15:49 AM PST

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    •  GOTP (0+ / 0-)

      Stands for "got to pee"

      What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

      by agnostic on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 04:58:41 AM PST

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