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  •  FWIW, Japan occupied Korea in 1910 (1+ / 0-)
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    hardly a part of WWII.

    “that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry.” Thomas Jefferson

    by markdd on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 09:47:28 PM PST

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    •  And kicked Russia's butt at Port Arthur. (5+ / 0-)
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      agnostic, markdd, llywrch, worldlotus, OzarkOrc

      The real Japanese plan was to attack Pearl Harbor to disable the Pacific Fleet, particularly the carriers. Japanese Naval Command calculated it would take 18 months for the US to rebuild their fleet enough to be a threat to Japan's colonial ambitions.  During those months, they deducted that US would be focused on Europe, leaving Japan unchallenged as it swallowed Asia. Then, a war-weary US would negotiate and cede the East to Japan without a fight.

      Makes sense.  I'd bet on those odds.

      They attacked under the assumption that:
      1)  The declaration of war had been presented to the Sec. of State.  (FAIL)
      2) American military bases were on guard against an attack by air.  

      The Japanese weren't 'sneaking' on purpose. WE were clueless. They were astonished at the lack of resistance and the time it took for the Army (before AF split off) and Marines to mount a defense. They knew they were suicide bombers. Then it dawned on them that they don't have to die. In fact, they had a DUTY to live.  Think about it.

      Hawaii's racist military resources were focused on preventing sabotage by undercover spies and saboteurs hiding in the local population.   So all ammo, every airplane and each artillery bunker were carefully under lock and key. Airplanes were immobilized by steel cables and heavy locks
      And only a couple people knew who had the keys to the armory.  

      oops. got carried away. Did my dissertation on the impact of movies in how we remember Pearl Harbor.  It was fun.  I'll go post on my diary.

      Joy shared is doubled. Pain shared is halved. Spider Robinson

      by nolagrl on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 12:21:55 AM PST

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      •  The planes were all neatly lined up (2+ / 0-)
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        to make them easier to guard, and much easier to strafe.  

        You're right it was supposed to be a lightning strike arriving immediately after the declaration of war was delivered.  

        Supposedly the US code breakers had  decoded the message about an hour before the Japanese Ambassador decoded it and typed it up himself.

        “that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry.” Thomas Jefferson

        by markdd on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 10:17:03 AM PST

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        •  US code breakers had the military codes (4+ / 0-)

          but not the diplomatic codes.   Cables were the main means of communication.  So the entire declaration had to be written down from dots and dashes, then decoded, then translated, then typed in English by non-English speaking typists. No spell check.  And it was not a short document.

          The Japanese fleet maintained radio silence, making them invisible.

          People tend to forget the limited communications of the time.  Often, you couldn't contact Hawaii until you got a good bounce to the signal.  

          Joy shared is doubled. Pain shared is halved. Spider Robinson

          by nolagrl on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 02:11:55 PM PST

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