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  •  2014 is an election year (26+ / 0-)

    They don't want to scare off the most reliable voting block around (we old people) with talk of cutting Social Security.

    I'll be convinced that Allyson Schwartz has changed her tune on Social Security when it's not an election year and she has disavowed and resigned from Third Way.

    There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

    by Puddytat on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 01:45:34 PM PST

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    •  Bingo! Exactly. Same for me. (4+ / 0-)
    •  Like I said, watch out for her (5+ / 0-)

      screwing up the bill. I like Allyson, but I wasn't aware of this part of her agenda. Now I like her a lot less. And I don't trust people who support chained CPI.

      I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 02:24:18 PM PST

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    •  Imagine seniors all voting Blue... (4+ / 0-)
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      That, of course, is not going to happen – but there is every reason for America’s senior citizens to want to vote for the party that has their interest at heart. It’s crucial that the Democratic Party stands firmly against Social Security cuts. Pushing for Social Security expansion is one move better.

      Also: The Democratic Party should put forward a bill to acknowledge the $ 2.7 trillion the US Government has borrowed from the Social Security Fund over course of many decades.

      The bill should go one step further: This debt, and the interest accrued, should be given higher priority than all other debts, present or future.

      “The meaning of life is to find it.”

      by ArcticStones on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 02:31:02 PM PST

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      •  Seniors WOULD vote blue if they were informed (6+ / 0-)

        The national outing that Paul Ryan got in 2012 - particularly his attacks on SS and zealous desire to voucherize Medicare - hurt him in his home district.  He "won" his Congressional district by his lowest margin ever and even lost his home town.

        Getting this information out is critical.  Seniors vote and they won't vote for someone out to take their Social Security and Medicare.

        There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

        by Puddytat on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 02:48:25 PM PST

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        •  Not so sure about that (4+ / 0-)
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          My elderly mom knows plenty of seniors who insist that they are informed and they still only vote for republicans.

          •  I AM a senior (2+ / 0-)
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            and I know a lot of people who insist they are informed.  Not all, by a long shot, but many have their tv's tuned to FOX all their waking hours.  That is where their "informed" stances come from.  When I have attempted to bring a fact or two to their tables, they're very willing to quote Hannity or O'Reilly to refute them.

            So, yes I suppose that, in the strictest sense of the word they are informed if, by the word "informed," we mean aware of the issues and of what one group would have them believe concerning them.

            But when we look, as I did, during and just after Hurricane Sandy [which was happening right outside FOX's doors], at what FOX was broadcasting and they were talking about Benghazi and ignoring Sandy, that tells me all I need to know about the "information" these folks are receiving.

            It's so sad to see a large group of people, motivated by rage and hate, so willing to ignore reality even when such ignorance harms them personally.  Let alone harming their own children and grandchildren.

          •  Minds and votes will be changed (1+ / 0-)
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            when Republicans go after Social Security and Medicare.  Nothing convinces a Republican faster than a problem that affects them personally.  It's why they're Republicans - they're interested only in themselves and their own personal interests.

            I recently had a conversation with a Republican who was trashing Medicaid with the usual misinformation (it's lazy minorities sucking his tax money).  I waited until he ran out of talking points and then reminded him that his own mother was in a nursing home paid for by that same Medicaid he wants to end.  Then I added the additional information that the majority of Medicaid is spent on nursing home care.  

            He got schooled, but I don't think his vote will change.  It would, though, if Medicaid was ended (or threatened with being ended) and he'd face the prospect of his mother being dumped at his doorstep for him to care for her.

            There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

            by Puddytat on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 11:23:20 AM PST

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        •  To be fair Obama has talked about making cuts too (2+ / 0-)
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          However I think we are better off with progressive liberals than TeaPublicans.

      •  Like your thinking! (2+ / 0-)
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        Will make a graphic for FB...

        "I think 2008 is going to be a good year." Senator Barack Obama - Des Moines, Iowa, January 1st, 2008

        by PoconoPCDoctor on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 02:55:39 PM PST

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      •  The whole cut Social Security thing is all about (4+ / 0-)
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        that $2.7 trillion that was raided from Social Security.  We started paying more in Social Security taxes back in the 80's to make sure that the money was there for basically now.  It was the Republicans in their cut taxes on the rich then borrow and spend war mania that has caused this problem.

        The solution is to raise taxes on the rich assholes to raided the Social Security trust fund.

        •  The other thing that has to happen (2+ / 0-)
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          is for politicians to realize that the funds they borrowed need to be PAID BACK.  They can't just ignore that debt any more than they can ignore the borrowing from China and other sources.

          Just because it's possible to just throw seniors and future seniors under the bus doesn't mean they should do it.

          There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

          by Puddytat on Fri Dec 06, 2013 at 03:32:05 PM PST

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        •  I agree that it was a planned (5+ / 0-)

          move to borrow for the wars while cutting taxes at the top. The resulting push for SS cuts and their arguments for it have made that very clear. We should make them swallow it whole!

        •  It is impossible to get the rich to pay much (1+ / 0-)
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          of anything towards government because this is a fascist state with government of by and for too big to fail corporations and their stockholders.

        •  More may have been going into Social Security (1+ / 0-)
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          during the 1980's, but that decade also saw a major escalation of the money being parceled out to pay for pet projects as well.

          Remember the Bridge to Nowhere in Alaska?  Yep, paid for by Social Security.  All sorts of infrastructure and military installations came out of the fund.
          After all, there was a huge working population paying into it to fund a much smaller preceding generation.  The money was just sitting there and Congress just couldn't keep it's hands off it.

          I, for one, believe that was the Republican plan all along: raid Social Security shortly before the Boomers came of age then claim it was a faulty program that was going bankrupt so they could get rid of it once and for all.  After all, they have hated it since its inception and have consistently worked to undermine it since the 1940's.

      •  For private parties, US Government Securities are (2+ / 0-)
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        the most conservative investment there is.  Why should US Government securities be considered be considered any less conservative when invested in by a federal agency like the Social Security Trust Fund?

      •  AND... (0+ / 0-)

        Recover back into the economy (via "new revenue") the $24BILLIONS the GOP's latest stunt cost the country.  Actually, THAT should come out of their pension funds "a la Detroit".

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