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  •  I get that. But I'm still thinking. (0+ / 0-)

    Remind me what they signed up for? You know -- after Bush the lesser was elected.

    •  They signed up to serve their country (9+ / 0-)

      and their state.

      Guard units weren't sent out of the country during Vietnam. It was assumed that the National Guard was primarily for local emergencies and would only be sent overseas in case of all-out war.

      Bush decided that, rather than re-institute the draft, he would rotate Guard units into Iraq. That was a significant change in policy that was not expected.

      After Bush was elected you didn't have the choice of saying "oh, I changed my mind, I don't want to serve". IIRC, a lot of people had their enlistment continued past their normal end point.

      And let's not forget that the media helped feed the frenzy. It's easy to look back in retrospect & see what happened, it was harder at the time when even the New York Times was hyping the whole WMD - 9/11 - Iraq connection.

      •  Don't they get paid? (0+ / 0-)

        You know. For showing up once a month or so?

        By "defending their country" -- were they thinking they would be called on if Ruskies invaded their state?

        I'm only interested in those who signed up after the imbecile came on board and became a war criminal.

    •  Oh, and (7+ / 0-)

      these are people in my community, people I know. Calling their deaths "Darwinian" is pretty damned insulting, and sounds just the sort of thing Ted Rall would say.

      •  I speak as a scientist. (0+ / 0-)
        •  But, if you want to get personal about it (1+ / 0-)
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          ...I, too, would be a Darwinian casualty had I enlisted.

          Because I would go to prison rather than follow a war criminal into an international murder spree and offer my body up as cannon fodder for absolutely nothing whatsoever.

          My outcome wouldn't be a pretty picture at all.

          •  Because, you know, I'm a humanist. (0+ / 0-)

            I have a moral compass.

            Every conscript who went to Vietnam had the option of putting down his weapon and accepting whatever punishment the military saw fit to administer.

            Every human being is first responsible to humanity for his actions, not to country, family, religion, and certainly not to a commanding officer.

            if a person allows himself to be part of the invasion of a foreign country and then willingly kills its residents, he or she is responsible for the consequences. The same can be said for the pilots who fire bombed Tokyo and dropped nukes on civilians when the Japanese had already made offers to surrender.

            Yes, there is a greater penalty to be paid when you refuse a order, but I personally would rather spend a few years behind bars than be forced to go kill people who are not threatening me.

        •  I am a scientist. I speak as a humanist. (nt) (4+ / 0-)
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          •  I'm done thinking about it. (0+ / 0-)

            I'm going with Darwin.

            There is no way that I could have known the outcome in 2012 had I not been genetically programmed to transcend nationalism and survive. Just as all my constantly migrating ancestors did for the past 100,000 years.

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