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  •  As annoying as all that can be, no we don't live (1+ / 0-)
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    in a proper theocracy.

    Part of it being that 87 percent of Americans self identify as Christians of some sort. So they are simply the majority we all have to deal with. They are so used to being the absolute dominant, religious-cultural paradigm that these past decades after the 1960s have been hard on them.

    They haven't had to compete for souls in a first world Western country since the 1200s in Lithuania. And they used military force to ensure dominance back in the day.

    Gentlemen, congratulations. You're everything we've come to expect from years of government training (Zed, MIB).

    by GreenMother on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 12:55:49 PM PST

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    •  If you read anything about the (4+ / 0-)
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      Christian entrenchment in our military and Pentagon (try the Military Religious Freedom Foundation) you will see that we actually do have a big problem with active dominionism occuring there too.

      I know we don't technically live in a theocracy, but we sure are darn close.

      •  Navy WIfe for 15 tears. (3+ / 0-)
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        I lived on a base where we had a bunch of conservative Christians take it over from the skipper on down.  He didn't get to finish out his term as CO.  You see, one of the people he caused problems for had a father and grandfather who were admirals (R was an E because he felt that before he could command men, he should know what it was like to serve under orders).  They got all the way to Bill CLinton, who pretty much broke up the Christian Hegemony in the Pacific Fleet. Thanks to Bill, the first amendment was respected.

        I had actually considered getting the little Irish Catholic chaplain, a buddy of my husband (they both swam and then used the sauna aftr, and discussed Wiccan and Catholicism)to be my sponsor to start an on-base coven and get permission to use base facilities, just to annoy the CO.  Only reason I didn't was  because he could decide I was causing problems and have me shipped home or refused the privilege of living on base--and my hsuband had judst gotten orders for another 3 years. Yes, he could ahve done that.,

        The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

        by irishwitch on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 03:46:42 PM PST

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      •  I was in the military. Sadly I know more about (0+ / 0-)

        that, than I ever wanted to.

        Sometimes it was as bad as it looked from the outside and sometimes it wasn't, it really depended upon the command when I served back in the 90s.

        My spouse was in a lot longer and once again, it was the dominant religious paradigm in the service, certainly the "official" one, but not necessarily forced on everyone. It was still very diverse when he served as well.

        Gentlemen, congratulations. You're everything we've come to expect from years of government training (Zed, MIB).

        by GreenMother on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 07:29:19 AM PST

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