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  •  Jesus, that's appalling. Not only is it (29+ / 0-)

    a disgusting take, it is an insult to a great man's history and life, and it is also just flat out dishonest.

    Mandela, for one example, purposely stepped down as president after one term, even though he could have readily been elected again.  Why?  Because he wanted the nation to begin a tradition of contested elections, since that would help build participatory democracy.

    What a ugly fuckhead of a "cartoon."  OK. Sign me up. I'm officially done with the puke faced idiot. (not that I was ever a fan, at all).

    (and, dear readers, please note that I had not seen this "cartoon" prior to writing my musings just a bit farther down in these comments.)

    "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

    by YucatanMan on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 07:45:33 PM PST

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    •  The issue is that Mandela wasn't perfect... (25+ / 0-)

      ...Some of his critics argue that he should not have negotiated with the South African government after his release, should not have gone along with the Truth and Reconciliation approach to post-apartheid justice but seen to the execution of all the apartheid leaders and made too many deals with the capitalist elite. There is certainly some truth in that final complaint. South Africa has some very bad problems now that are a product of neoliberalism. But most of those critics I've read (and I've been reading them for years, not just since Mandela died) at least have the common decency to give Mandela credit for having been instrumental in leading the effort to break the back of apartheid even if he didn't go on to do what nobody has yet managed: breaking the back of international capitalism. Not Rall.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Sat Dec 07, 2013 at 10:22:27 PM PST

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      •  I imagine it would take much more than (4+ / 0-)

        South Africa alone to break the back of international capitalism. The current "system" of economics (and possessions) is destructive to everything - human spirit, the environment, interpersonal relations, international relations, the survival of many species... it just goes on and on.

        The current system is good at one thing only: enriching a few people by entrancing enough to believe that's a good thing. It is utterly unsustainable on nearly every level.

        But during Mandela's lifetime, I sincerely doubt that no matter what he attempted or how far he pushed it, he could have even damaged international capitalism. It was quite capable of surviving without South Africa entirely.

        Perhaps, I suppose, perhaps he could have tried to lead a global revolution. I doubt he would have survived that attempt for long. Or exacting revenge on the leaders of apartheid, which may have fed directly into the white fears of so many, leading to a "rescue invasion" perhaps?

        I admire him so much exactly because he did nearly the utter maximum any one person could do to bring about peace and justice under his circumstances. And to spread that spirit beyond his own nation's borders.

        He possessed a powerful soul, understanding the meaning of justice and forgiveness. It is rare we see a leader such as Mandela in our lifetimes. We certainly have not experienced an American president like him in all my years.

        . . .
        I keep thinking of Leonard Peltier and whether he'll ever be freed. He's been in prison a decade more than Mandela.

        There's something for Rall to raise hell about if that what he wants to do.

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 07:28:32 AM PST

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