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  •  One of Zhen Ren's comments was a top comment. (6+ / 0-)

    It was then made into a diary because people felt it was so moving and so well expressed. The comment was about how she felt, and how much hurt was there. I think you are on the wrong side of this as you apparently won't acknowledge the amount of pain that Zhen Ren and others have experienced. Your comment completely belies your supposed offer of peace. It amounts to "go away and shut up," because I am "fucking sick of the drama and the crusade" when Zhen Ren and others try to tell me they were hurt.
        I am appalled and, for the first time, angry. You have no right to belittle someone elses' feelings this way. It's blatantly obvious that you don't wish Zhen Ren well, or those of us who feel with her well. Rather, you'd try to bully us into silence so you don't have to be reminded of the consequences of your actions. As long as your cohort continues to post diaries bringing the subject up again, to whine about those consequences and make the same old arguments, we will not be silenced.

    •  kkkate (8+ / 0-)

      I don't know who you are or why you've replied to me. It also feels kind of surreal talking with someone with "kkk" in their chosen username, given the subject this whole thing is centered around.  But... whatever.

      I don't think you have any idea what situation I am referring to. I supported that comment that was turned into a diary. So please, don't turn this conversation into something that it's not.  

      I am encouraging you, Zhen and anyone who wants to to carry on the conversations, just not to pick fights in community diaries that people put a lot of work into, and these are diaries where, for more than a year, we have endeavored to keep the pie fights out of them.   Anyone who is familiar with these community diaries knows that.  

      I don't know who the "us" that you are referring to is.  I encourage you to carry on your conversation and whatever work it is that you are doing.  But what I am railing against is deliberately dragging people into things that they don't want to be dragged into, and lying about the situation, pretending to be attacked by friends who are not and have never attacked Zhen. That is what occurred.  I object to it.  I have a right to object to it.  

      Zhen fabricated a situation where he was under attack by a group of friends and then he lamented it to the world in very dramatic ways, using martyr-like words.  But it was fiction.   The problem was that the particular friends he said were attacking him were doing nothing of the kind.  So he went into a community diary among a group of people who really did not want to participate in the latest outrage and pie fight, and he attacked his friends.  Not only that, he wouldn't stop attacking his friends.   He seemed determined to create the situation that he was telling the dkos world was happening.  Hell, nobody was even talking about it in private that I know of, other than a sparse number of "wtf is happening?" comments, some "hell if I know" answers, and that was it.  People are busy, extra busy in the holiday season, have meatspace lives, are immersed in other subjects, and just not interested in the latest total trainwreck on DailyKos let alone happy about being dragged into it.  Shocking! I know.  

      Also, I have a long history here of supporting and encouraging dissent.  Your accusations otherwise are absurd and have absolutely no basis in fact.

      Be outraged all you want.  Just keep it out of community diaries where it has been made very clear that it is not welcome.  You know, those community diaries where, when a group of mortal enemies start flinging shit all over the place and the author sees it and says he's not willing to host this crap, he deletes the diary,  reposts the content because one hell of a lot of work went into it and there are some people who are interested in referring back to it on the weekends after a long week of work where they don't have the time to read it in real time.  The author made it clear why he took this action and very shortly afterward, the pie fight crusaders, having been deprived of their latest venue, came marching back in to the newly posted diary, taunting the author saying maybe he'd have to delete this one too.
      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      That's abusive and against every rule at dkos, especially Markos' revered "don't be a dick" rule. It doesn't get more dickish than that.  But Zhen supported that and strutted right in and proceeded to try to trash yet another diary (this would be the THIRD Evening Blues diary he brought his crap into and taunted and insulted the people he claimed were friends who were attacking him when he was the attacker.  Yes, I know it's bizarre.  But those are the facts.

      There are large numbers of places where you can do this if you really want to. Knock yourselves out.  And you always have the option of creating your own space. You can write as many diaries as you want. There is no limit. The same goes for the people who share your pie fighting obsession.

      Have a nice day :)  I'm hoping that kos reviews this.


      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 12:38:50 PM PST

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