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  •  I disagreed with the Firing (5+ / 0-)

    of Phil Donohue, although in Bashir's case saying someone should take a dump in her mouth is vulgar beyond comprehension.  I would have fired him, not allow him to resign for that.

    •  many people (4+ / 0-)

      Will tell you that Bashir didn't say that. But it isn't true. Well to be precise he said that she deserves to have her mouth shat in.

      Conservatives don't police their own when they say horrible things. But I believe we should be better than they are.

      "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

      by raptavio on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 10:55:24 AM PST

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      •  To be precise he didn't (3+ / 0-)
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        He called out Palin for minimizing the horrors of slavery in America. He offered a particularly distasteful example of said horrors. Then he said, that if ("if" means "hypothetical") anyone deserved such treatment (clear implication is that nobody does deserve it), it would be Palin.

        That might be distasteful, and I wouldn't have said it myself. But it's not the same thing as saying someone should shit in Palin's mouth. It's unfortunate so many people, even on this site, can't tell the difference.

        “Republicans...think American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.” Harry S. Truman

        by fenway49 on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 12:17:26 PM PST

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        •  I think that (3+ / 0-)
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          if political roles were flipped and a nominally conservative talk show host said that about a nominally liberal public figure -- say, Elizabeth Warren or Nancy Pelosi -- that such hair-splitting as that you've made would never fly with anyone here at the Great Orange Satan.

          When Mrs. Palin invokes slavery, she doesn’t just prove her rank ignorance. She confirms if anyone truly qualified for a dose of discipline from Thomas Thistlewood, she would be the outstanding candidate.
          Does it imply that nobody deserves such treatment? Perhaps. Is there a "clear implication...that nobody does deserve it" as you put it? No. Absolutely not. It takes a very generous grant of the benefit of the doubt to Mr. Bashir to accept that his words implied that nobody at all deserves such a treatment.

          No sell. Bashir blew it, in a very big way -- and, though this is not nearly as bad but still horrible, he provided the world-class idiot Sarah Palin with wholly undeserved political cover for her remarkably tone-deaf remarks.

          "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

          by raptavio on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 12:40:20 PM PST

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          •  Words have meanings (0+ / 0-)

            How does "if anyone truly qualified for a dose of discipline from Thomas Thistlewood" not imply clearly that nobody does? It's called the conditional. If I say, "If anyone truly understood the meaning of life, it would be my Uncle Charlie," I'm saying nobody understands it but he comes closest.

            If people flipped out about a nominally conservative talk show host who said something similar, I'd say, "Let's be clear, that's not exactly what the person said." I have made such comments.

            Providing Palin with cover is an entirely different thing, and I agree with you 100% that Bashir screwed up terribly on that front.

            “Republicans...think American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.” Harry S. Truman

            by fenway49 on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 04:25:22 PM PST

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            •  Let us find a counterexample: (0+ / 0-)

              "If anyone could be said to truly be an innovator in the field, Joe Schlabodnik would top the list."

              A couple more pulled from a Google search.

              "If anyone could be said to be wearing out their welcome, it's him."

              "Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said if anyone could [recapture his status as one of the game's elite hurlers], it would be Halladay."

              You can find lots of counterexamples.

              So at best, Bashir's remarks left ambiguous the question of whether anyone deserved such a treatment.

              "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

              by raptavio on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 05:03:23 PM PST

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