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  •  Pope Francis and the Church (0+ / 0-)

    Though a non-catholic, I recognize that Pope Francis isn't a progressive on personal status issues and probably never will be.  The Church will for the foreseeable future oppose marriage for all, a woman's control over her own body and continue to insist on a celibate male priesthood.  

    However he rediscovered the Church's teachings on economic justice and I will thank him for that and has suggested emphasizing abortion.  I call it progress.

    I'm a 4 Freedoms Democrat.

    by DavidMS on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 08:44:51 AM PST

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    •  But he hasn't said anything that (0+ / 0-)

      has not been in the speeches of other popes on materialism , economic justice etc.  Benedict gave one about two years ago in Australia and John Paul ll on economic justice in 1986.  This is not progress, this is meaningless repetition. Francis has not "rediscovered" anything except how to form a great PR team and use it to manipulate media.  

      This is what is very confusing about the definitions of progressive, social justice and equality.  How can people continue to buy the RCC PR and dive right into the apologetics for this man and his institution if they understand the meanings of these terms?

    •  Pope Francis is a proponent of liberation theology (0+ / 0-)
      Liberation theology[1] is a political movement in Roman Catholic theology which interprets the teachings of Jesus Christ in relation to a liberation from unjust economic, political, or social conditions. It has been described as "an interpretation of Christian faith through the poor's suffering, their struggle and hope, and a critique of society and the Catholic faith and Christianity through the eyes of the poor".[2] Detractors have called it Christianized Marxism.[3]

      Although liberation theology has grown into an international and inter-denominational movement, it began as a movement within the Catholic Church in Latin America in the 1950s–1960s. Liberation theology arose principally as a moral reaction to the poverty caused by social injustice in that region. The term was coined in 1971 by the Peruvian priest Gustavo Gutiérrez, who wrote one of the movement's most famous books, A Theology of Liberation. Other noted exponents are Leonardo Boff of Brazil, Jon Sobrino of Spain, Óscar Romero of El Salvador, and Juan Luis Segundo of Uruguay.[4][5]

      The influence of liberation theology diminished after proponents were accused of using "Marxist concepts" leading to admonishment by the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) in 1984 and 1986. The Vatican criticized certain strains of liberation theology for focusing on institutionalized or systemic sin, apparently to the exclusion of individual offenders and offences; and for identifying Catholic Church hierarchy in South America as members of the same privileged class that had long been oppressing indigenous populations since the arrival of Pizarro onward.[6]


      The fact that he is from Latin America should be a give-away
      •  If the church had been truly concerned (0+ / 0-)

        about the plight of the native populations in terms of poverty, they wouldn't have crushed their native beliefs and forced them (literally) to accept catholicism. It's like "believe what we believe or we'll kill you" followed by "now that you have converted to our faith, we have compassion for you and we want to liberate you!"

        •  This is why I hate progressives (0+ / 0-)

          If you read from above, you would have seen that the Catholic Church was against liberation theology. because it condemned the church as part of the systemic problem. Now going into my diatribe on liberalism, it all connects. Surprisingly, the Catholic Church has a strong foundation in rationalism, going back to Augustine. As the morale center of the faith, the church has now recognized a proponent of liberation theology as the voice of God.

          •  The church has no such foundation (0+ / 0-)

            in "rationalism".  It's foundation is in promoting superstition and the selling of mythologies as realities.. all for the purposes of power.  

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