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  •  Well, (3+ / 0-)
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    If you noticed, the small scale attacks that were ambiguous, didn't elicit the response that the larger, later attack did.
    Why?
    Because there was some question as to who launched them.
    There WAS a response to the large scale attack and quite sufficient evidence of their provenance.
    When confronted with the facts, backed up by a couple warships, Syria backed down entirely. They never admitted outright that they were to blame (and I wouldn't be surprised if the orders came from a couple levels down the chain) but they have acted exactly as they would had they been caught red-handed. BECAUSE THEY WERE.
    I don't know what the axe being ground here is, but this "revelation" doesn't do anything to promote peace. It only serves to undermine Obama and Kerry.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 01:09:16 PM PST

    •  Why would a country that had the Fundamentalist (4+ / 0-)
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      Terrorists on the run risk the wrath of the international community by using chemical weapons?

      Doesn't pass the smell test.

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      by PatriciaVa on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 01:17:20 PM PST

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      •  Because their domestic rebels (1+ / 0-)
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        were dug in to the suburbs of Damascus (the area gassed) and the military couldn't root them out.
        And as I said, I don't believe this came from the top of the chain, it is more likely from Assad's brother, the top general and by all accounts a real brutal bas+ard. He would not be concerned with the international aspects, just focused on stomping out to rebellion.

        If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

        by CwV on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 01:23:03 PM PST

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        •  Another approach frequently taken is (0+ / 0-)

          the leader says, "Do whatever it takes to reach an outcome" who the leader knows will do that without concern for moral behavior.

          Leader does not ask any questions when the result is reached.

          When the world discovers terrible things occurred, leader says, "I never ordered", "I was unaware", "those responsible will be held accountable."

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          by nextstep on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 02:11:21 PM PST

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      •  Because they may very well have been (0+ / 0-)

        deployed by rogue elements within the Syrian forces.  Smell better?

        •  If a Rogue US agent engaged in an Unsanctioned.. (0+ / 0-)

          ..act in a foreign country, should that foreign country retaliate militarily against the US?

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          by PatriciaVa on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 01:44:10 PM PST

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          •  Well that's what Bush would (and did) do (1+ / 0-)
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            but fortunately Obama is president and so we didn't.  
            And of course one would need definitive proof as to exactly who acted and under whose authority and it was that level of proof we lacked. But what I really don't understand is why folks are complaining about not getting into another war while also preventing further chemical attacks- which is exactly what has happened.

            •  I've been wondering that myself. (2+ / 0-)
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              What is the problem with having disarmed Syria of it's chemical weapons without firing a shot?
              There seems to be a stream of commenters that are bent on denying Obama any kind of win. And if the win can't be denied then scuff it up and sh!t on it so it doesn't look like a win.
              I expect that from the FUX Noise idjits but it's really exasperating when it's from our Left.

              If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

              by CwV on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 02:16:31 PM PST

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      •  What doesn't pass the smell test (1+ / 0-)
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        is assigning a level of rationality to the actions of the Assad regime that they haven't previously displayed.

        Just because YOU don't think it would make sense doesn't mean they didn't.

        •  Some countries' farts don't stink... (1+ / 0-)
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          as far as they are concerned.

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          by Superskepticalman on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 02:38:03 PM PST

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    •  It serves to illustrate Obama and Kerry are (1+ / 0-)
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      lying.  The entire Syria "war" has been a big lie.

      "It is easier to pass through the eye of a needle then it is to be an honest politician."

      by BigAlinWashSt on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 02:46:34 PM PST

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