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  •  Here's the American data (2+ / 0-)
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    LilithGardener, coquiero

    I have a feeling you didn't get all the way through this study, so let me excerpt it for you.

    There were about 7,300 firearm suicides in the [16] states with the most guns - including Alabama, Montana and West Virginia - in 2008 to 2009, according to findings published in the American Journal of Epidemiology.

    That compared to 1,700 suicides by gun in the [6] low ownership states, such as Hawaii, Massachusetts and New York.

    The number of non-gun suicides in the two sets of states was similar, at about 4,200 and 4,300, respectively. What's more, state-wide rates of suicide attempts did not differ based on levels of household gun ownership

    •  Again: Rural and urban. (3+ / 0-)
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      theatre goon, Robobagpiper, Kasoru

      Rural areas have more suicides by all methods & even in nations that have few firearms.

      In Japan, a nation with a culture steeped in ritual suicide, suicide rates for men living in cities dropped between 1970 and 1990. Over roughly the same period, rates increased in rural areas.
      Blaming guns would be a convenient way to wrap up this story, but the reality is that they are merely a means—albeit a very effective means—of committing suicide. Rather, there are deeper issues behind high rural suicides rates, most of which revolve around how mental health issues are handled.

      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 10:17:24 PM PST

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      •  Explain again why Japanese data trump American (2+ / 0-)
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        LilithGardener, coquiero

        The study I linked to above says that recent American data don't show more rural suicides by methods other than guns. Are you suggesting that the study is inaccurate? Presumably that can be analyzed, for example, by attempting to replicate with another year's data.

        What I see instead is a kind of scattershot response, where exactly on-point numbers are countered with statistics about Japan. On the other hand, if I were to suggest that Japan's much lower homicide rate were connected to their severe restrictions on guns, I have no doubt you would be rushing to provide alternative explanations.

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