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  •  Get back to me after taking a stats class (1+ / 0-)
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    coquiero

    You behave like a tobacco company that finds couple of octogenarian smokers.

    •  I'm back. (1+ / 0-)
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      theatre goon

      Guess what?
      Stat classes aren't impressed by citing data points that directly contradict the conclusion.
      Whodathunk?

      "You behave like a tobacco company"
      Strange. I seem to remember tobacco companies citing studies that made conclusions that were widely contrary to the data points.
      In fact, I would describe the tobacco studies, the same way the above study described itself; "Inexact"

      Get back to me when that study can get to the point of demonstrating so much as coincidence.

      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 01:18:31 PM PST

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      •  How strong is the correlation (1+ / 0-)
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        It would be bizarre to find a perfect match between gun ownership and suicide. The data show a strong correlation. You went out and picked the furthest outliers in an attempt to refute that. By your logic, an octogenarian smoker "refutes" what we know about the danger of tobacco. Your logic is bogus. Go argue with Gauss, he invented least-squares-fit.

        •  When over a quarter of 'correlations' are actually (1+ / 0-)
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          contrary (significantly so), there is no correlation.
          There's not even enough of a 'correlation' to be considered so much as a coincidence, let alone a conclusion.

          That study is bogus.  Embarrassingly so.
          One could even go so far as to call it "Inexact".

          "By your logic, an octogenarian smoker "refutes"...."
          Not my logic. The study's logic.
          They point to the top two states in suicide rate (which are also the states with the lowest population density....something that actually correlates with suicide rate), and "firearm prevalence" and they made that into a stated 'conclusion'.

          A conclusion based upon two states that when extended to all 50 states, is wrong.
          Illustratively so.

          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

          by FrankRose on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 03:13:14 PM PST

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          •  As I said, come back after a stats class (1+ / 0-)
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            When over a quarter of 'correlations' are actually contrary (significantly so), there is no correlation.
            It ain't mathematically so.

            Gun worship is making you stupid. Just sayin'.

            •  Yes. You are 'just saying'. (1+ / 0-)
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              I am proving.

              Which is a large reason why your arguments are so easily refuted & your viewpoints have been so thoroughly rejected by the public.

              Just keep sayin' 'Gun worship', 'Gun nut' & 'Gun Fetishist'....sooner or later inventing words in lieu of citing facts or using any level of intelligence is sure to pan out.

              Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

              by FrankRose on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 04:03:02 PM PST

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              •  FrankRose, run the correlation for me (1+ / 0-)
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                Until then, you aren't 'proving' squat. The facts are simple: gun ownership correlates with suicide. I've put up links to more than one study showing that. One such study even claims that the non-gun suicide rate is the same in low (urban) and high (rural) states; which surprises even me. Finding some outlier counterexamples doesn't change the correlation. Can you explain, in the language of statistics, what it is you are "proving" and why you think you have done so?

                You are just like the conservative idiots who say there is no climate change problem because it snows one day. Indeed, I think you would fit in much better with the conservative anti-math anti-science movement. Are you sure you didn't join here by mistake?

                •  You haven't even managed to wrap your head (1+ / 0-)
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                  around the simple numbers I had to provide to you that showed that over 26% of the claimed 'correlations' were actually contrary, because you eschewed looking at two simple maps, instead choosing to barf-out invented words.

                  Here, let me put it to you in language you have already demonstrated such a virtuosity for: LOL GUN FETISHIST< GUN NUT!!!111!!!r u a CONSERVAATIVE?!!?!!

                  Take it to youtube. Should be more your speed.

                  Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                  by FrankRose on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 05:07:09 PM PST

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                  •  Look correlation up in a dictionary (1+ / 0-)
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                    coquiero

                    "Claimed 'correlations'"—you are confusing correlations with data points?!

                    You are innumerate. Sorry, but you should spend less time on the firing range and more at some community college stats class.

                    I'm done here. You simply don't know what you are talking about in terms of statistical evidence. Maybe it isn't guns, maybe you are that clueless about everything but guns are they only thing important to you that you will venture onto the Web and show you wouldn't know a correlation coefficient if it bit you in the butt.

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