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  •  slander (none)
    Why are you comparing MSc with MSEE? You need to compare MSEE with MTech or ME. The European, Indian and Chinese universities do have Masters in Engineering too. To get H1 visa the candidate needs to have either a Masters degree or a Bachelors degree and equivalent work experience of masters degree. If your objection is about people with MSc degree getting H1 visas then go and lobby US govt to change the H1 law instead of blaming foreign workers and their education.

    Since you have a European MSc degree, based on your logic are you saying that your education was inferior? In that case you took a job away from an American with MSEE degree.

    Overall, no one is saying that there are absolutely no cases of fraud with H1 visas. There must be some but they are not the vast majority as your diary implies. What you are doing is slandering the foreigners and foreign education system.

    •  you're just picking a fight (none)
      with no logic.

      This diary fortunately is read by many who
      read the facts.

      No, the European, Indian and Chinese programmes
      go university, first degree, MSc which is called a "Masters" then move on to a intermediate degree
      which is a higher level of education than a US Masters, but not equal to a US Phd and finally their systems advance to a PhD,
      which at that point you are given credibility
      partly on your advisor and school and primarily
      on your research....basically PhDs world wide
      are in essence equal as a rule of thumb.

      Again, these systems Masters degrees are accredited by ABET and equivalent to US Bachelors
      degrees.

      No one is "blaming" foreigners in this diary,
      despite whatever "frothy" motivation your posts
      are trying to imply.

      I'm sorry but education accreditation is what
      it is.  There is no "slander" in stating
      replacing a US MSEE with a MSc is replacing someone with inferior educational level.

      That has nothing to do with the quality of
      education world wide.  The situation is simply
      different university level educational systems.

      A BSc in England is considered "trade school"
      or akin to a US associates degree.  

      They are simply different systems and by ABET
      accreditation standards, replacing a US MS
      with a MSc is inferior educational level.

      http://forum.noslaves.com

      by Robert Oak on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 04:41:56 PM PDT

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    •  RE: slander (none)
      To get H1 visa the candidate needs to have either a Masters degree or a Bachelors degree and equivalent work experience of masters degree

      Wrong.

      USCIS


      What is a specialty occupation?

      A specialty occupation requires theoretical and practical application of a body of specialized knowledge along with at least a bachelors degree or its equivalent.

      There is no definition of what 'equivalent' means.

      Now, you can either believe me, or I can go through the motions to provide you with links which prove that the DOL has certified LCA's which define Red Lobster restaurant managers, tax preparers, and latino community service managers as 'specialty occupations'. These incidents were brought to the attention of the DOL. The DOL did nothing.

      You can also either believe me, or I can again go through the motions which prove that the DOL has certified LCA's for 'programmers' at 5.25/hr.

      What you are doing is slandering the foreigners and foreign education system

      So then, I would guess that I if I told you that I felt that the H1B/L1 visa system and the government's current apathy towards illegal immigration were nothing but a cheap labor scam from front to back, that would make me a racist too?

      If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow - G. Bush

      by superscalar on Tue Jun 28, 2005 at 04:53:19 PM PDT

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      •  RE: slander (none)
        I was mainly referring to the H1 visas processed for technical jobs.

        You could be right about the Dept of Homeland Security issuing H1 visas to Red Lobster restaurant managers, tax preparers, and latino community service managers as 'specialty occupations'. I am not doubting it. This is happening either because these applicants fit the requirements of H1 laws or Dept of Homeland Security is abusing the law. So the problem clearly is not the foreign workers but either the H1 law or abuses by Corporations or Dept of Homeland Security (which is not what was implied in the original diary).

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