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  •  Catholics aren't "real Christians" to Fischer (18+ / 0-)

    because they're not Southern Baptist enough.

    •  Um...Fischer isn't Southern Baptist. (5+ / 0-)

      He attended Stanford University and Dallas Theological Seminary, neither of which are denominational schools.

      I can't find any mention of his ordination by any church in any denomination. His previous pastoral work has been in nondenominational churches.

      The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

      by wesmorgan1 on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 04:10:14 PM PST

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      •  I'm more thinking of the local constituency (5+ / 0-)

        that Fischer is pandering to on this issue.

        Baptists are the largest denomination in almost every county in Oklahoma.

        And thanks for the helpful, supportive fact check. :)

        •  Well, it's hard enough... (0+ / 0-)

          ...with Al Mohler, Richard Land and the like on the scorecard without adding Fischer, Hagee (another one people seem to think is SBC - he isn't), et al., know what I mean?

          I take solace in the fact that, if he were to read what I've written here, Dr. Mohler probably wouldn't like having me on his scorecard either...

          The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

          by wesmorgan1 on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 07:26:28 PM PST

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      •  To save you time... (6+ / 0-)

        I am aware of the Mainstream Baptist Network - an anti-fundamentalist movement within the Baptist community - and its role in lawsuits against the very Ten Commandments display that sparked this thread.

        Moderates (another group is the CBF) were exiled from the Southern Convention a while back.

      •  "Fischer isn't Southern Baptist" (2+ / 0-)
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        The organization he works for was founded by a southern UMC minister, which back then was pretty much the same racist, homophobic and misogynistic ideology as the traditional SBC.   Fischer was raised as a Baptist by a Baptist pastor, and he preaches the same hatred of gays and Muslims which the SBC does today.  

        He may be a non-denominational Dominionist today, but I'm having a hard time seeing any difference between his hateful ideology and that of the SBC.

        •  So, then... (0+ / 0-)

          ...what are we to think when Fischer blasts the SBC for "sounding full-scale retreat in the culture war", hm?

          What, you might ask, did the SBC leadership do to draw the ire of so many on the Religious Right?  Well, it wasn't much:

          Russell Moore, the 42-year-old president of the Southern Baptist Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, said in a Wall Street Journal interview that it’s time for Christian leaders to tone down their rhetoric and pull back from partisan politics because of younger evangelicals’ “visceral recoil” against the culture wars.

          “We are involved in the political process, but we must always be wary of being co-opted by it," Moore said in a 2,000-word story contrasting his style with that of his predecessor Richard Land. "Christianity thrives when it is clearest about what distinguishes it from the outside culture."

          No, the SBC (as a corporate entity) won't be winning any awards for progressiveism in the next few years, but if Fischer's attacking them...and the head of their lobbyist/pr organization (the ERLC) is talking about the importance of getting away from partisan politics...then someone in the SBC leadership might actually be picking up a clue...

          The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

          by wesmorgan1 on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 08:20:01 PM PST

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      •  He went to Stanford? (1+ / 0-)
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        How did he become this stupid? That's a top school.

        Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it.

        by anastasia p on Thu Dec 12, 2013 at 10:00:01 AM PST

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        •  I never thought he was stupid. (1+ / 0-)
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          Cruel, manipulative, cold hearted, bigoted, vile, abominable, shameful, slimy, wretched...

          Stupid? I'm not so sure.

          © grover

          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Thu Dec 12, 2013 at 10:49:44 AM PST

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      •  Although nondenominational, DTS is evangelical (1+ / 0-)
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        and more specifically Dispensational and premillenial, insisting on biblical inerrancy.

        Dispensationalism is an evangelical, futurist, Biblical interpretation that understands God to have related to human beings in different ways under different Biblical covenants in a series of "dispensations," or periods in history.

        As a system, dispensationalism is expounded in the writings of John Nelson Darby (1800–82) and the Plymouth Brethren movement, and propagated through works such as Cyrus Scofield's Scofield Reference Bible. The theology of dispensationalism consists of a distinctive eschatological end times perspective, as all dispensationalists hold to premillennialism and most hold to a pretribulation rapture. Dispensationalists believe that the nation of Israel is distinct from the Christian Church, and that God has yet to fulfill his promises to national Israel. These promises include the land promises, which in the future world to come result in a millennial kingdom and Third Temple where Christ, upon his return, will rule the world from Jerusalem for a thousand years. In other areas of theology, dispensationalists hold to a wide range of beliefs within the evangelical and fundamentalist spectrum.

        With the rise of dispensationalism, some conservative Protestants came to interpret Book of Revelation not as an account of past events…but as predictions of the future.

        Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

        by Mokurai on Thu Dec 12, 2013 at 12:51:33 PM PST

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