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  •  Given who Edwards turned out (27+ / 0-)

    to be, I'm glad. But I cheered every time he pushed the Two Americas theme.

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    by SouthernLeveller on Thu Dec 12, 2013 at 08:02:46 AM PST

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    •  So did I. (16+ / 0-)

      The Two Americas was a big part of why I supported him.  And his campaign did some good.  His health care plan in January 2007 caused the others to have one.

      It's why an economic populist running against Clinton might be good even if Clinton prevailed.

      I really think Clinton has to move left.  Polls in 2013 don't mean much later.  

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      by TomP on Thu Dec 12, 2013 at 08:05:53 AM PST

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      •  I'd just like it to be a genuine populist this (12+ / 0-)

        rather than someone assuming that mantle just to try and win - as I believe Edwards did.  We have a few genuine ones, but Elizabeth Warren is the only one getting any talk.  I'd like to see her stay where she is for a bit longer, but if she's the only one with a serious chance of beating out a faux Dem like Hilary, I'd prefer that.

        •  How Elizabeth Warren can be valuable (2+ / 0-)
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          is that she is the one who is saying what the people want and now other Congress critters and elected officials are seeing just how effective that populism can be.  Her courage has opened the door for others to follow in her footsteps.  We are already seeing that with other Congress people grabbing onto populist ideas.  So as the leader of the Warren Wing, she is enabling other Dems to pursue populist issues.  I personally want her to stay in the Senate where I think she can be more effective, but she can inspire our whole party to move to the left.

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          by gulfgal98 on Thu Dec 12, 2013 at 12:16:07 PM PST

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      •  I ALWAYs look to the record of candidates (5+ / 0-)

        and I couldn't connect the "two Americas" stuff with everything Edwards had done before.  I was willing to give a little slack based on his representation of a conservative constituency.  But he had too much baggage.

        Finally it was Russ Feingold, as genuine a progressive as we've ever had, who described Edwards effectively:

        "I don't understand how somebody could vote, five or six critical votes, one way in the Senate and then make your campaign the opposite positions," Feingold said, expanding on comments he made a week ago to the Appleton (Wisconsin) Post-Crescent. "That doesn't give me confidence that if the person became president that they would continue the kind of policies that they are using in the Democratic primary. I'm more likely to believe what they did in the Senate."

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        by Satya1 on Thu Dec 12, 2013 at 10:39:13 AM PST

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    •  I was in the Edwards breakout session... (10+ / 0-)

      Had been a staunch Edwards supporter, and went to his breakout session.  My internal radar went BOING.. and I stopped supporting him.. not at all surprised later that he cheated on Elizabeth.  

      My room mate was not interested in the breakout sessions so I took her ticket and went to see Hillary.  I was actually much more impressed with her than I expected,  even though after the convention I became a strong Obama supporter.

      I honestly don't have any heartburn with her being the nominee next time.  She did a good job as SOS.. and in my mind is now her own person.  Before I was worried about more years of the Clinton "hate"... but hell, we got even more robust Obama hate... so now I figure whatever.. Don't see anyone else out there besides Hillary.  I like Warren right where she is in the Senate, see the greatness of another Ted Kennedy.. making a difference year after year after year...

      •  Curious: What set off that "BOING"? (5+ / 0-)
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        What did he say or do, or what sort of vibe was he emitting that made you say "Whoa"?

        (I was in the Obama breakout that afternoon. I asked him on the rope line if he could do anything about the then-mess in Springfield [a.k.a. our General Assembly and Rod Blagojevich]. He rolled his eyes and said something along the lines of "I don't want any part of that!")

        •  I had a husband that cheated on me... (2+ / 0-)
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          After you have been through that, something internal just lit up... He strutted around like a peacock, just seemed like he was way too in himself... he just appeared totally different than you would expect from what his positions (per his papers and statements).  It was weird.  

          During the debate itself I wasn't that impressed with Obama either... my choice of him was by default... and the speech he had given at the convention a few years earlier.

          •  Oy. (0+ / 0-)

            Thanks, though that had to be a crappy thing to re-experience.

            I always thought Edwards was slick, but dismissed his chances in 2008 because in a "change election" featuring a woman and an African American as leading contenders, "Change" wasn't going to be yet another white Southern man. Even so, my wife and I were floored when the National Enquirer's story turned out to be true and he turned out to be the complete shit-heel that he was.

      •  I had similar feelings. (7+ / 0-)

        I saw him in person and thought he was a phony.  I posed for a photo afterward with Elizabeth and talked to her, but didn't bother to meet John.  He was 10 feet away, and I just had no urge to shake his hand.

      •  I Was There As Well And I Don't Recall The Exact (7+ / 0-)

        question or phrasing of his response but, as Edwards was leaving, someone asked him a question about atheists and Edwards said something to the effect that he'd never thought about atheists having any morality and that it was an interesting concept he'd have to consider.

        That was the clearest indication to me that he wasn't the real deal.

      •  She did a good job as SOS (0+ / 0-)

        I don't recall any real accomplishments during her SOS gig.

        Perhaps I just have a bad memory, but what stands out to you?

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        by allenjo on Thu Dec 12, 2013 at 01:35:39 PM PST

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