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  •  Actually, yes they are. No intended victims are (5+ / 0-)

    members of a military with which we are at war.
    No intended victims are persons who have actually attacked us. That means that they are civilians.

    In addition, our error rate is obscene. It is as if we were firing into a crowd, knowing full well that it was mostly innocents, but suspecting that it also contained a few criminals. Knowing the consequences in advance and performing the action anyway is the same as intending those consequences.

    That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

    by enhydra lutris on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 09:23:07 AM PST

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    •  it's not illegal to be a Crip or a Blood either (0+ / 0-)
      No intended victims are members of a military with which we are at war.  No intended victims are persons who have actually attacked us. That means that they are civilians.
      By this logic, we have no business going after gangs, especially if they haven't actually victimized anybody outside the ghetto.  The organization itself is not illegal even if everything they do is illegal, and they certainly don't bother the cops at home or the white yuppies worried sick about them.

      Jihad is not about the usual matters of state that can be resolved diplomatically, and these men could care less about what they wear or what flag they fight under.  They don't follow the rules of war because A) they believe Allah wants them to kill everybody who isn't Muslim or to die trying and B) they'd be stupid to fight the kind of disciplined Western-style war that the Pentagon would love more than anything for them to fight.

      Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

      by Visceral on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 10:36:32 AM PST

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      •  poor analogy... (2+ / 0-)
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        By this logic, we have no business going after gangs, especially if they haven't actually victimized anybody outside the ghetto.
        there are traditions that apply to war (extraterritorial to at least one of the combattants) and policing of internal territory.

        the rules of one do not translate well to the other.

        i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

        by joe shikspack on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 11:48:43 AM PST

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      •  So you're saying that if we see a suspected (3+ / 0-)
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        Crip (random black youth with blue hat) go into a barber shop we should blow it up? Seriously?

        You should read more foreign papers and less propaganda. We aren't after jihadis, we're after suspected militants In Iraq we declared war on an entire religious sect for the crime of saying that we had no right to be there and should leave. Please don't mentin the rules of war and the Pentagon in the same paragraph unless you know at leeast a tiny bit of our military's history.

        That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

        by enhydra lutris on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 01:30:30 PM PST

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