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View Diary: 'You can keep your health insurance' lie of the year or half-true? PolitiFact says both! (102 comments)

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  •  it was rated half true (13+ / 0-)

    because it was.  

    If Obama promised that a new emissions policy would grandfather in old Studebakers, nobody would call him a liar if a company tried to manufacture new Studebakers and couldn't get them licensed.  

    The desire to hate on Obama for not keeping a promise he never made is not one that I share, and I'm hardly a fan.

    Politics means controlling the balance of economic and institutional power. Everything else is naming post offices.

    by happymisanthropy on Thu Dec 12, 2013 at 05:57:28 PM PST

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    •  Live in that fantasy world all you want (1+ / 0-)
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      The president was clear and unambiguous. Don't make up ridiculous analogies to hide that. He lied repeatedly and knowingly for the sake of electoral success. Not the worst thing in the world, nor unprecedented. But when you have a reputation as an honest man and you lie about one of the fundamental aspects of your signature legislation, the aspect of that legislation that causes the most angst and doubt no less, it is a terrible move. This is one of Tue defining lines in Obama's career, best to just accept that and move on.

      There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

      by slothlax on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 12:12:18 PM PST

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      •  It is a half-truth, because half the people (1+ / 0-)
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        have been able to keep their doctors.  So it is not a complete lie.  Keep at it and it will be time to play the race card.

      •  You didn't bother to find out (1+ / 0-)
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        that his promise didn't include extra things you thought it should have included?  Whose fault is that?

        If you had a policy you liked at the time he made the promise, you get to keep it.  That's all he promised.  He didn't promise that policies created in the future would also be grandfathered.

        Serious question: What date would you make the cut off for selling new non-compliant policies?

        Politics means controlling the balance of economic and institutional power. Everything else is naming post offices.

        by happymisanthropy on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 04:34:12 PM PST

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    •  flawed analogy (1+ / 0-)
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      I agree with slothlax, your analogy is ridiculous (snark)...

      it is more like the government passing new emissions standards, but saying any current models which are currently being produced can be still be done so. Then a car company, which was producing Studebakers decides it no longer wants to produce Studebakers.

      People are apparently mad that the President promised something he clearly didn't: that car companies would have to keep producing the then current model of cars they were producing.

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