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  •  This Is Going To Be A Very Unpopular View But .... (1+ / 0-)
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    I've been around a day or two and spent 35 years working in the oil and gas fields and while I don't want to see Keystone built either I'm afraid its already a done deal and nothing will stop it. There is just too much money and powerful forces against it. Now I admire the fight against it I really do. But what most people don't understand is for more than 100 years the oil companies and now gas companies have stayed 20 years ahead of the American public and 10 years ahead of the governments world wide they have bought and paid for. It would take a miracle as in God given to stop that now.

    So the better and much more destructive and dangerous fight should concentrate on hydraulic fracturing before we pollute the water we need to survive. That's a lot bigger than Keystone and is happening right now. And by the way that is happening right now while they are also building the facilities to export liquid natural gas as we speak so LQN can join gasoline. diesel fuel, and jet fuel as our biggest exports.

    And let me say again I would be happy to be wrong about this but all my experience tells me I'm not.

    •  The old inevitability argument. (6+ / 0-)

      I've lost track of the number of "done deals" that never happened. The psychological argument you're using is one of the more effective ways industry gets activists to shut up and sit down. It's almost always complete horseshit.

      Obama is sounding even more hostile to the pipeline since Kerry became Secretary of State and he can stop it with the stroke of a pen.

    •  Abandon the 6-year battle against Keystone? No... (7+ / 0-)

      ...We just need MORE people involved so we can fight on more fronts. Every struggle requires multiple actions and this struggle is is indeed against a tough opponent—two of them actually, the oligarchs and their marionettes in government and media and ourselves, our lives and lifestyles deeply entangled in a dense energy web that provides us comfort and connection with a byproduct of pollution and other destruction.

      The battle against expansion of coal burning shouldn't be dropped to fight the tar sands development. We have to reduce to zero our addition of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, so the fossil fuel site must, of necessity, be multifaceted and simultaneous.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 06:21:45 PM PST

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    •  Why are all these pipelines stopped or delayed (0+ / 0-)

      Expansion of the tar sands requires lots of natgas, the Mackenzie Vally & Alaskan Hiway nat gas pipelines are DOA. Have been DOA for decades.

      Northern Gateway has been stuck in the mud for better than 6 yrs.

      Trailblazer was shelved because of the bad economy, with the economy no better it has been resurrected, Energy East is a border crossing proposal, needs Pres. approval.

      So going back to the early 80's there is a pattern of these projects not becoming a reality...

      And Rail shipping is not a reality for an additional 6mbpd of potential tar sands expansion.

      Bitumen delivered to a coastal location such as the La. LOOP brings top dollar for heavy oil, until they do that, the large discounts will continue, so the revenue stream wont support expansion, thusly the production bottlenecks we see today, and are being written about in all the trades are making marginal projects money losers.

      It costs between $60 & $85 to produce, and its selling for $48 to $63 over the last 12 months. Rail shipping to Cushing costs $15 to $28...... PADDII is as much as $33.

      .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Sat Dec 14, 2013 at 10:42:55 AM PST

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