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  •  True, (6+ / 0-)

    but of the two sins I'd say the former is much greater.

    "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

    by raptavio on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 01:26:02 PM PST

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    •  Both are basically killing people (2+ / 0-)
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      so I'd say they're roughly equal sins.

      29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

      by TDDVandy on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 01:29:39 PM PST

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        No. Not even close.

        Preventing proper STD prevention will have a net-net of people dying of AIDS and other transmissible diseases.

        Making being gay a capital offense will mean the state is actively killing people for being gay, AND the rest of them live in fear of their lives from state persecution, are subject to blackmail and extortion, and are denied their most basic liberties.

        The two are so far from equivalent that I'm frankly stunned I have to explain it.

        "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

        by raptavio on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 01:32:21 PM PST

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        •  They are both deplorable policies. (5+ / 0-)
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          I think we can agree on this much.

          29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

          by TDDVandy on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 01:49:27 PM PST

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        •  Blocking condoms is worse. (0+ / 0-)

          There are many countries who have 'death to gays' laws on the books. It is rare that anyone is actually executed for being gay. But HIV infection is at epidemic levels in Africa. HIV kills every day. What kind of a monster would knowingly block the one proven method for reducing HIV transmission?  And block it on purely ideological, theological grounds?

          •  What kind of monster (0+ / 0-)

            would force gay people to live every day in fear for their lives?

            And do you KNOW how often gays are killed in Saudi Arabia, Iran, and other places where there's an extant death penalty for being gay?

            One Iranian execution of gay men is even readily found on the YouTube -- not recommended for the faint-hearted.

            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

            by raptavio on Fri Dec 13, 2013 at 02:44:36 PM PST

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        •  Thus, the conservative "solution" (0+ / 0-)

          to anything, AS ALWAYS serves only to increase crime, increase instability, increase hatreds, increase pain and suffering. The conservative "solution" to anything is always to double down on the proximal cause of the problem. And only ever serves to make the problem worse.

          This is what conservatism IS. The systematic attempt to find excuses for the willful destruction of human life and an outright attempt to increase human suffering and depravity. The search for excuse too allow and justify the commission of criminal acts by the glorious me against the horrible "other" (you).

          This guy has simply found an excuse and a target for his depravity and hatred -- his need and desire to commit atrocious crimes -- in gay people. Remember, if there were no gays, this guy would be calling for sending some other group to the furnaces. This is what conservatives DO.

          Every sin, every crime, is rooted in conservatism. This is a simple truth. The idea that I can do things to YOU that are considered criminal if done to ME is at the heart of everything conservative.

          Conservatism is is evil.

          Truth.

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