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  •  No. (12+ / 0-)

    And a total ban on hunting?

    If you get up where I live, we've got way too many white-tailed deer. Since their natural predators (wolves) are gone, their population has skyrocketed with resulting winter kills and disease (CWD).

    Most hunters are responsible. We need them on our side.

    •  We don't need hunters to cull the deer (1+ / 0-)
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      We could hire trained people if it is needed.

      We have plenty of deer around here and no hunters.

      Now the only real argument in defense of guns is human overpopulation.  I would hope we have a better solution than indiscriminate violence.

      •  I'm sure the deer will be grateful (3+ / 0-)
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        that they guy who shot them was a professional rather than an amateur putting meat on the family table.

        Surely a virtuous society is one where duty and obligation takes the place of pleasure.

        I've lost my faith in nihilism

        by grumpynerd on Sat Dec 14, 2013 at 01:11:47 PM PST

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        •  No, but one of the one hundred thousand (0+ / 0-)

          people shot every year would sure have enjoyed a ban on guns.

          •  Ab abusu ad usum non valet consequentia. (3+ / 0-)
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            This is maxim from Roman jurisprudence which means “Consequences of abuse of something does not invalidate its usefulness.”

            The idea is that you don't automatically deprive everyone of something because some people are abusing it.  This includes a number of things whose abuse is quite terrible, like alcohol.  You address the abuses first in ways that don't unduly affect the legitimate uses.

            The problem is that people think in black and white. They see slippery slopes everywhere.  It's easy to get them equating commonsense things like no-loophole background checks with total gun deprivation.

            The idea of a total firearms ban in this country is sheer fantasy. Even if you could pass such a law, it would only instantly create millions of scofflaws and a huge black market -- like there is for marijuana, only bigger and more dangerous. But that doesn't matter, because it's all just fantasy. If a ban hasn't happened even after all these school shootings, it will never happen.

            Because of the paranoid, irrational fear of a total gun ban, we can't even reach the low-hanging fruit that would save plenty lives without anything more than mild inconvenience to people who use their guns in a responsible manner. If you want to make progress, stop throwing gasoline on the fires of paranoia.

            Banging the fantasy ban drum in an atmosphere of gun-owner paranoia is counter-productive.  To make progress in gun control, we need to lower the emotional temperature of the discussion to the point where reason has a chance to be heard. We'll never outcrazy the loonies who believe that everyone who walks into an elementary school ought to be wearing a gun.

            I've lost my faith in nihilism

            by grumpynerd on Sat Dec 14, 2013 at 06:45:03 PM PST

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            •  Contradictions, contradictions (0+ / 0-)
              The idea is that you don't automatically deprive everyone of something because some people are abusing it.  This includes a number of things whose abuse is quite terrible, like alcohol.  You address the abuses first in ways that don't unduly affect the legitimate uses.
              Weirdly, this principle you aspouse can be broken quite often by people on your side of the gun issue as long as its something they don't give a shit about, ala video games, movies, etc, apparently, atleast with the diarist, and a few members commenting  here, but I'm not sure of you, but apparently many people in this comment thread do not subscribe to that sentiment, as it was quite clear  that the diarist had to make a beeline for the dead beaten horse of the video game canard, to try to bolstrer his case.

              So, apparently this princple is only subscribed to when its convenant for the RTBA side, but they'll drop it at the sign of thinking they have an advatage using something else as a scapegoat.

              •  Appeals to "ban video games" meet the same (0+ / 0-)

                resistance the commenter is talking about regarding guns.
                To the extent that our collective attitude about guns is reflected in our video games, we need to look at that.

                It doesn't mean we have to ban them.
                There are only two types of person who would posit the idea of a total gun ban::
                The sincere believer who is totally willing to ignore the magical process that would be necessary to ban guns (and the civil war that would result), and a troll whose just looking to cast incredibility upon Dkos discussions.
                I admire the total ban commenter for being sincere and expressing an unpopular view, but I think it's very unrealistic at this stage in our development.

                The only way it will ever be possible for us to eliminate gun violence in our society, is for the culture to mature and set aside the hysteria, as grumpynerd suggests. That will be the first step.

                You can't make this stuff up.

                by David54 on Sun Dec 15, 2013 at 07:17:08 AM PST

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              •  What is "my side of the gun issue"? nt (0+ / 0-)

                I've lost my faith in nihilism

                by grumpynerd on Sun Dec 15, 2013 at 08:13:00 AM PST

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        •  I think the deer would be grateful (1+ / 0-)
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          to be just as armed.

          I think it was either Carlin or Michael Moore who had a great bit on hunters wouldn't finding it so "sporting" though the rest of us would if the deer got to shoot back.

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