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  •  First, there is nothing extraordinary (3+ / 0-)
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    jshooper, Hey338Too, amsterdam

    to the claim there are many of a libertarian bent who hold accounts at Daily Kos unless one missed the early Ron Paul/Gary Johnson debates.

    As for solidarity, if it abides here, the sux/rox wars are nonexistent and we know that's not the case. The solidarity I see in this diary is an attempt to shut down a new user's voice. One may find him wrong in his assessment of ideas but the HR abuse is staggering.

    •  Libertarian in the sense of "not authoritarian" (5+ / 0-)

      maybe.  In the sense of "pot smoking Republicans" Not so much.

      I gladly embrace the former definition.

      You may think that. I couldn't possibly comment.-- Francis Urqhart

      by Johnny Q on Sun Dec 15, 2013 at 04:14:23 PM PST

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      •  The least capitalist and statist (2+ / 0-)
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        Free Jazz at High Noon, poco

        one is, the more libertarian (in other words, in support of freedom). The more capitalist, and statist, the more authoritarian.

        The reason the original libertarians reject the right wing usage is due to its adherence to capitalism and the resulting hierarchy and enslavement of workers, and the lack of true democracy in the workplace and community. Capitalism is essentially authoritarian, due to the false authority placed in private property ownership, and the resulting wage-slavery and boss/worker hierarchy forced on the majority working class.

        And capitalism does in fact require a state enforcement apparatus to protect property "rights' and keep the working class in their assigned roles as servants to the owning class. Thus, anarchists view capitalism, and the state which supports it, as inherently violent and authoritarian.

        Maybe capitalist "libertarians" of the left could use "civil liberties" to name their preferences, right wingers should dispense with using the term altogether,  and anarchists, the real libertarians, should continue using the term as they have for the last 150 years.

        "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

        by ZhenRen on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 11:49:36 AM PST

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    •  We were flooded with Paulites prior to election (2+ / 0-)

      I don't know if they were Kossocks or trolls.

      As to rux/sux, if I went there I'd just be driving the wedge deeper. I'm not going there.

      I'm a Vietnam Era vet. I'm also an Erma Bombeck Era vet. When cussing me out and calling me names please indicate which vet you would like to respond to your world changing thoughts.

      by Just Bob on Sun Dec 15, 2013 at 04:19:49 PM PST

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    •  No evidence (5+ / 0-)

      There's no evidence of groups of libertarians here who want to undermine the Democratic Party, there's no evidence either of groups who want to shut down discussion of race and racism, and no evidence either that these imagined groups would have any overlap.  This sounds like CT stuff.

      These seem to be false charges designed to smear the site.  You can debate whether this comment meets the standard of "simply inflammatory, simply off-topic, or simply a lie", but I think reasonable arguments can be made for all of the above.

      At any rate it's clearly not worthy of an uprate.  

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