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  •  Let me say that comments like "the usual suspects" (8+ / 0-)

    don't help either, and all that these do is further fan the same flames of division that this diarist helps sow, and that some here obviously also are clamoring for.

    It's not an "us" and "them" world. Nor should it be. Actually, if we were all in the same room together, we'd be pretty embarrassed about the way people talk about one another here. I think we should stop it with the "usual suspects" chatter too, and all of the other tit-for-tat nonsense. We have plenty of political camaraderie to be found, and part of what we can do to combat the memes being spread here is to embrace that camaraderie, no matter how tenuous it may be at times, instead of to behave divisively as if there were people who neatly fit into "category A" or "category B."

    People are much more politically complex than that. We can actually learn from people we disagree with as well.

    The commentary here is nearly as toxic as the diary, in some cases. It's time for reparations if we truly dislike the tenor of this diary.

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    by mahakali overdrive on Sun Dec 15, 2013 at 08:47:19 PM PST

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    •  I like what you've written about the complexity (6+ / 0-)

      of dkos membership. While you and I haven't agreed on some things, I agree very much with the observation of the complexity among participants defying the usual binary division that people seem to believe exists here.

      We could all get along better if we remember that... and it is so easy to get sucked into a faction, and then get pegged as if representing all which that faction implies, rather than be perceived as a complex individual with a spectrum of thoughts and views.

      For example, I know you are a socialist. Some who are in the faction which I've been presumably part of are capitalist (albeit very liberal mixed capitalists, with some socialistic views). And some socialists support the Democratic party and the conventional electoral process, which complicates things, and some capitalists don't, which further complicates things.

      Clearly, we're not as easily contrasted as it appears at first glance.

      I suppose I'm at a far end of this spectrum, in that I don't support capitalism, the state, or the unfairness of the electoral process. But I would find commonality with a socialist in ways I wouldn't with a Keynesian. So... maybe we all need to rethink the binary approach a lot of us tend to accept.

      So, just my rec to your comment, and my compliment to your post, will likely be judged as a stigmatizing behavior... this just gets crazy.

      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

      by ZhenRen on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 01:00:15 PM PST

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      •  Completely, that's true, sadly (5+ / 0-)

        I have a lot to say in response but am packing for a short trip out of town. But overall, absolutely agreed (and I don't support capitalism either, not one bit). I agree that we should rethink 1. the binary way we think about people and 2. how we stigmatize others who don't fit into our political points of view.

        It's not always just what you say but also whether or not you say it in a way that is meant to promote dialogue, even when difficult: honesty and respectful conversation never preclude one another.

        Okay, back to packing now. I apparently own no socks? Not a big surprise...

        Stigmas are absurd. We really, really need to all fight those on one another's behalf, and also, to resist the urge in ourselves to stigmatize. Even when we're not perfect, critical thinking is about looking inward and thinking about what we can do to be better people; I think better politics ensue from that.

        So like I said, so much to say, but little time to say it, so my apologies if this is roughly stated. It's basically just a big thumb's up.

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        by mahakali overdrive on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 01:36:35 PM PST

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