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  •  Thank you. I must admit I was ticked at the (1+ / 0-)
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    new Pope for upholding Benedict's rebuke of the American nuns who did so much community support and helped the standing of the Church in that way.  What is he thinking?  They shield priestly pedophiles and scold the nuns for supporting their congregation.  This is insanity.  The narcissism of Benedict was incredible.  And, apparently he had a boyfriend.  Well, sorry.  My main complaint about organized religion is that it is involved in politics.  People came to America to avoid this very problem, now look at them.

    •  It is sad that the Church heretofore has not been (1+ / 0-)
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      listening more to the nuns. Here is yet another quote from the above-cited piece, hoping that Pope Francis turns out like one of the great nuns:

      I want to think of him as potentially being somewhat like a male Teresa of Ávila. A gifted woman with superb organization-building skills, she became a tireless reformer. Yet, possibly in part to deal with the cognitive dissonance of having Jewish lineage during the horrors of the Spanish Inquisition, she turned inward without becoming isolated from the call of ever greater responsibilities. Of course, as a woman, she never could have become a pope. But had she done so, she perhaps might have been strengthened by, but at the same time challenged to go far beyond, inwardness. She might have made major changes to a sick Church has she been released from the caution that would apply to anyone in the Church other than the pope. Pondering and addressing structures of injustice certainly would require “thinking much” while also loving much:
      The important thing is not to think much, but to love much, and so to do whatever best awakens us to love.
      (Saint Teresa of Avila, p. 2, ed. Mirabai Starr, 2007. Boulder: Sounds True, Inc.)

      I'm on the left wing of the possible. I write for the same reasons Eric Arthur Blair did, just not as well.

      by Galtisalie on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 04:06:07 PM PST

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      •  I so agree about the love (1+ / 0-)
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        unfortunately, loving much interferes with "economics" lol

        •  I believe that people should speak up about (1+ / 0-)
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          what is just, whether they are in a religion or not, whether they have a leadership position or not. Absence of speaking up about the poor and needy is acquiescence in the existing unjust status quo and often morphs into outright Constintinian flag-waving and the like. The poor and needy need everyone to speak up on their behalf, including the religious leaders. I am glad that the Pope is doing that, just like I am glad that Dr. King did it. The founder of Christianity purportedly did a lot of it too. I do not care about Benedict XVI's private life with another adult, if any, but I do care about his public stands, including his harassment of good priests and nuns for speaking up about the poor and needy.

          I'm on the left wing of the possible. I write for the same reasons Eric Arthur Blair did, just not as well.

          by Galtisalie on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 04:43:14 PM PST

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          •  What the nuns did was not just speak up about (0+ / 0-)

            the poor and needy.  They instituted programs to support women and the community.  The popes told them they had no business doing this.  One of my favorite stories about Mother Teresa was that when someone visited her at the orphanage, they noticed she was always looking for somewhere help was needed, wiping noses, finding shoes, comforting.  So when the pope talks about the poor and needy, I am not encouraged.  I myself am sick of talk.  I was just in a diary where in CA, the ACA was finding charity possibilities for people to qualify for medicaid, and also hospitals were working on helping people qualify.  And of course, insurance companies are going around behind, trying to break this up, because they need to have a death grip on everyone.  We need to be allowing people to help.  there are a lot of people doing a lot of things to help, all the time.  This needs support, real support, not talk.  

            •  My hope is that Pope Francis's rhetoric is not (1+ / 0-)
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              empty. I am all for mutual aid. We all need to be doing as much as we can of it. To me, part of mutual aid is uniting politically to get the kind of changes needed to cut down on suffering to begin with. Uniting politically is enhanced by credible cultural pressure. If the Pope is credible, I think his words will help a lot. I am hoping for the best in an imperfect world. Peace and thank for your keen analysis.

              I'm on the left wing of the possible. I write for the same reasons Eric Arthur Blair did, just not as well.

              by Galtisalie on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 08:06:58 PM PST

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          •  What troubles me about a priest having a (0+ / 0-)

            boyfriend is that the Church insists that people have sex solely for procreative purposes.  

            •  I agree, but I don't know the facts. The lack of (1+ / 0-)
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              empathy by the Church to LGBT people under Benedict XVI was so troubling, and the continuing Church position on that issue and on procreation/sex is not only disappointing but violating people's human rights to medicine in many communities where Church hospital systems are taking over. Peace and thanks again for your helpful analysis.

              I'm on the left wing of the possible. I write for the same reasons Eric Arthur Blair did, just not as well.

              by Galtisalie on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 08:11:29 PM PST

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