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  •  So, your view is that most employers... (6+ / 0-)

    ...would be dishonest outlaws?

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 11:53:02 AM PST

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    •  Umm, "my view" ? (3+ / 0-)
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      methinks there is a HUGE amount of empirical evidence establishing that they are.

      Heck, I bet there's at least one diary a day (hey, probably more but I'm being conservative) right here at DailyKos in that vein, one way or another.

    •  MB (4+ / 0-)
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      Look at the banking practices, and all of the dishonesty, the robo signing, the redlining, the discrimination in lending. Do you think other corporations are any different? My partner works for a respected company (REI) and the things they do to employees is rather shocking... they find ways to get around regulation.

      Yes, I think American employers and the American business place are rife with dishonesty, much of it legal, but some of it illegal. If they can get around a law, they will do it.

      Soft inquiries occur when a person or company checks your credit report as a background check, such as when a potential employer checks your credit, when you are "pre-approved" for credit card offers, and when you check your own credit score. A soft inquiry can occur without your permission. Soft inquiries may be recorded in your credit report, depending on the credit bureau, but they won't affect your credit score in any way.

      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

      by ZhenRen on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 12:06:20 PM PST

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      •  yipes, hate to hear that about REI (2+ / 0-)
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        I'm a member

        Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. --Edward Abbey

        by greenbastard on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 12:16:51 PM PST

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        •  Employees (1+ / 0-)
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          can lose their jobs if they don't sell enough memberships. It isn't a commission based system, but sales are tracked. The "conversion ratio" (of people converted to memberships) is tracked. It is very high pressure work. Good decent people who do excellent work can be reduced in hours if they don't sell enough memberships. Many long time employees are being eliminated with the new tracking system.

          The memberships are a good deal, but selling memberships is ALL that matters the the corp.

          Just one example....

          "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

          by ZhenRen on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 12:29:09 PM PST

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        •  I've been trying to get her to write about this (2+ / 0-)
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          but on the other hand, if they found out who she is she would be fired. They are adopting the same tactics as many other corporations, such as shifting as much as possible to part time rather than full time employment, which eliminates benefits, etc. They do weekly scheduling based on performance. People are constantly either up or down in status. It's awful. Some benefits are only earned after a couple of decades of work, which one will probably never reach, due to the number of ways they have to eliminate long time employees. Most of these practices are legal, but an extremely harsh way to treat a human. It's a form of slavery.

          Why Americans put up with this is a mystery (actually, it isn't -- people are indoctrinated into the belief system), but this is insane. And in my opinion it isn't an honest way to treat employees. It's unscrupulous, degrading, humiliating, stressful, dehumanizing.

          I don't think "educated" liberals who have better employment understand this horror of the American workplace (although at REI, employees typically are college educated, with graduate level degrees).  

          People have no other model to compare it to, if they insist on limiting all discussion to capitalism. There are better ways, and once those ways are understood, the conscious worker finds this to be intolerable.


          "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

          by ZhenRen on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 02:11:04 PM PST

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      •  It must depend on the state (0+ / 0-)

        I once did pulled credit checks for a living for coop boards prior to approving the transfer of coop apartments and in NY state, written permission from the applicant is required.  I have also given permission in writing (on applications) to prospective employers in NY.  If written permission were not necessary, I doubt that any of the entities I have had experience with would bother.  

        Fun fact -- a written waiver is not required to pull a person's criminal record.  

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