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  •  Hmm. (5+ / 0-)

    From your NYT link:

    Indian officials said that Ms. Khobragade was arrested and handcuffed on the street as she was leaving her daughter at school, and that she was kept in a holding cell with drug addicts before she was released on $250,000 bail.

    By far the most troubling part of the episode for Indians are assertions that Ms. Khobragade, 39, was strip-searched after her arrest. Some Indian newspapers published reports claiming that she was subjected to repeated cavity searches. The Indian national security adviser, Shivshankar Menon, has called such treatment “despicable” and “barbaric.”

    Maybe Indian heads are exploding over this, rather than "making an example of the maid"?

    Shall we go? Yes, let's go.

    by whenwego on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 02:47:44 PM PST

    •  Exactly, it's the treatment, not the arrest. (2+ / 0-)
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      Her defenders have by and large unwittingly admitted her guilt, by noting the impossibility of getting any domestic help for the amount allowed in the Indian diplomatic service.  The real issue is that she was treated in a way calculated to cause a diplomatic crisis.  As for being a Dalit, that's trumped by being the daughter of a prominent politician.

      It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

      by Rich in PA on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 02:51:08 PM PST

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    •  That treatment, if it happened, IS indeed (5+ / 0-)
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      “despicable” and “barbaric.” I'll add inexcusable.

      It needn't follow however that Ms. Khobragade is a saint. Lord knows she wouldn't by the first person to be abused by the NY police, but she may well ALSO be a lying entitled asshole.

      When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

      by PhilJD on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 02:55:20 PM PST

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      •  Exactly - and the focus on the dispute misses (6+ / 0-)

        the point entirely. We have black car crash victims getting shot by police, or by homeowners who think they have a licence to kill. Why were handcuffs used in this case at all - were the police in fear of this woman?

        Anyone who compares a British cop show with an American one will notice two stark differences when it comes to the arrest scene: gun vs no gun, cuffs vs no cuffs.

        We can't do much about the first, by why on earth is a statement of arrest followed by handcuffing. Here's an excerpt from UK guidance on handcuffing:

        Any intentional application of force to the person of another is an assault. The use of handcuffs amounts to such an assault and is unlawful unless it can be justified.

        Now I'm guessing the NYPD guidance is not much different (could not find a good link at short notice - perhaps indicative) - just that whatever restrictions are in the guidelines appear to be routinely disregarded by the police in the way they interact with citizens. There is no way this woman would have been handcuffed in the UK for this alleged crime, and certainly not detained overnight in a holding cell.

        Our policing is nearly out of control - and now we have an international incident that I'm sure is leaving many white Americans scratching their heads in befuddlement. I'm sure Black and brown Americans on the other hand understand the Delhi outrage all too well.

        •  Amen. I don't doubt that this woman abused her (3+ / 0-)
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          employee unlawfully, and she might deserve exclusion from the USA. But she damn sure didn't deserve what is alleged.

          •  Well, the Indian newsmedia are talking about (4+ / 0-)
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            "multiple cavity searches." This coupled with the fact that Sikh diplomats are forced to unwind their turbans, or Meera Shanker, the Indian ambassador to the US was submitted to a pat down just because she was wearing a sari just adds to the fuel.

            India is retaliating:

             

            The government asked all U.S. consular officers to turn in their identity cards and the entire American diplomatic corps their airport passes while senior Congress leaders snubbed a visiting U.S. Congressional delegation for the second straight day by refusing to meet it.

            The government also ordered the Delhi Police to remove concrete barricades on public land and roads that have existed for years around the U.S. embassy, sought salary details and bank accounts of all Indian staff employed at the missions and stopped all import clearances for the U.S. embassy, especially for liquor.

            http://www.thehindu.com/...

            The Hindu is a very credible source, btw.

            Also, it is sort of funny that while India is in a total uproar over this incident, most Americans have no clue about what happened and there is almost no report over it in the MSM.

            It's *Gandhi*, not Ghandi

            by poco on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 03:48:24 PM PST

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        •  I read that it was not NYPD, but some Federal (1+ / 0-)
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          entity that did this.  I have not been able to confirm that, but the articles below tend to say the same, since it was a Federal charge about false information given by Khobragade on the nanny/housekeeper's Visa application.

          http://news.msn.com/...

          Excerpt:

          Harf, the U.S. State Department spokeswoman, on Monday said diplomatic security staff had followed standard procedures during Khobragade's arrest and then handed her over to U.S. Marshals. On Tuesday, she declined comment on whether Khobragade was strip-searched, referring such matters to the Marshals Service.
          http://www.reuters.com/...
          Federal prosecutors in New York released a statement on Thursday saying that Khobragade broke the law and would be prosecuted.

          Mother Teresa: "If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other."

          by Amber6541 on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 09:45:59 AM PST

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      •  Yes the treatment is barbaric (7+ / 0-)

        And the fact that this is universally applied to everyone the New York Police Department arrests is horrible.

        Read the timeline.  The Foreign Service had her husband and children arrested in an attempt to court her.

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        by LunkHead on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 03:36:19 PM PST

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      •  It was US Marshall's service (5+ / 0-)
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        and strip-searching is now routine for anyone taken into custody. The Indians are shocked, but anyone paying attention to the US criminal justice system shouldn't be. This is the way young people of color, plus others, are treated every day in every city and town in the country. Shocking? yes.

        I'll leave it to the courts and the State Dept. to sort out whether she had diplomatic immunity or not, which I think depends on her rank in the embassy.

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