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  •  Thought experiment (11+ / 0-)

    Whenever someone (and it rarely happens because frankly I no longer associate with such folks) complains about welfare etc, I ask them to consider what kind of country they would want to live in if they had been born with a disability, chronic illness, to poor parents or a single parent or irresponsible parents, or into a minority group. Just to watch someone struggle with the idea of walking in the shoes of another.

    I cannot take credit for this idea; it is from a famous philosopher whose name I do not recall.

    And lastly, I assume they will sweep floors after all that test prep being shoved them?

    •  John Rawls n/t (3+ / 0-)

      "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

      by Old Left Good Left on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 01:34:31 PM PST

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    •  Exactly (4+ / 0-)

      Or ask them to imagine they are about to born into the US, but they don't get to choose their parents or their natural abilities. And God asks them prior to their birth if there are any changes they'd like Him to direct in how we do things.

      What if you're an average kid born to a poor family?

      What if you're a kid with learning disabilities born to a middle-class family?

      What if you hit the proverbial jackpot and you're born with problems to a single mom with problems of her own?

      What USA do you want?

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      by blue aardvark on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 02:42:55 PM PST

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      •  Many (most?) Americans think that God sits (7+ / 0-)

        in heaven deciding who should get illnesses and accidents.  

        From there they split into two main groups.  The first are those who think people who get these problems deserve it because of either their own "sinful" behavior and/or that of their parents.  Jesus pretty clearly rejected this view.

        The second group thinks that God is subjecting people to these situations because it will make them better people / God is testing their faith / God's ways are beyond human understanding.  IMO Jesus would also have rejected these ideas if someone had tried to tell him this is the way God works in the world.

        So I don't think these people could even understand the questions you were asking.

        •  I heard that from some church friends of my (4+ / 0-)

          parents and now from some friends of my sister, that my parents and now possibly my sister were/are being tested by God because they have /had cancer or a disability.

          All I would hear for years with my very ill family members were these people telling us we needed to keep the faith, pray more, seek God, believe, and understand that God allowed them to suffer to test their faith and so they could testify about how God healed them. After my parents died of their rare cancers, they started a new one ..about how God took them home to be with him and end their suffering because God is good and that now God is testing my faith as I grieve.

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          by wishingwell on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 03:59:55 PM PST

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          •  I'm sorry that these church friends added to your (0+ / 0-)

            suffering and grief rather than doing something to help you through it.

            As I understand Jesus, his life was about taking concrete action to reduce suffering.

            I also see a disconnect in that Jesus was tortured to death yet many of his followers expect to somehow be exempted from suffering in their own lives.

      •  Oh, you mean (2+ / 0-)

        roleplaying with a limited number of points to allocate.

        Geeks are used to this type of thought experiment.  Non-geeky conservatives would probably classify this as Satanic.

        •  Well with the current campaign I am in it is 4d6, (1+ / 0-)
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          drop lowest, assign as desired.  But I understand what you mean as that is how Neverwinter Nights does it.

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          by Throw The Bums Out on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 04:08:04 PM PST

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        •  Old school (1+ / 0-)
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          Roll 3d6, assign the ability scores in order S Cn Dx I W Ch.

          Then roll randomly for starting gold with extreme variation, no consideration of class.

          Then randomly assign the rest of the party rather than letting you choose your friends.

          And then randomly choose a dungeon so you may start out being pitted against something designed for level 16 characters.

          That's life.

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          by blue aardvark on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 04:13:12 PM PST

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    •  What if reincarnation is the truth? (0+ / 0-)

      And what if the life we get next time is determined BOTH by individual karma (how good were you personally?) AND by availability of nice "positions?"  What kind of society would you work to provide the next century?  One where 99 percent had to live in poverty and desperation, giving you 99 to 1 odds of coming back as a poor child, no matter HOW good you were in this life?  Or one where everyone, even the "poor," are moderately comfortable, and no MAN MADE miseries are inflicted on people other than those who cause them?

      And what if the percentage of souls who ARE trying to be good, and are thus concerned about others as well as themselves, DETERMINES how many "good" life slots will be available for future incarnations?

      Something to think about!

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