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  •  47 Ronin and Seven Samurai are NOT the same story (2+ / 0-)
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    ek hornbeck, BruinKid

    Other than "7" being in both titles, the story in Kurosawa's Seven Samurai and the one in 47 Ronin took place in different periods of Japanese history, more than 100 years apart.

    Seven Samurai was set in 1587, in the period of the warring states. It was a relatively lawless period with no shogun, with the great daimyos fighting among themselves for power. Japan was ultimately unified by a series of three great daimyos, Oda Nobunaga, Toyotomi Hideyoshi, and finally Tokugawa Ieyasu, who established the Tokugawa Shogunate that ruled Japan until the Meiji Restoration and the modernization of the country.

    The events told in the 47 Ronin story, which is based on some actual happenings, took place during the Edo Period in 1703. Edo (江戸 = "bay mouth") was the Tokugawa home base, and Edo Period is the same as the Tokugawa Shogunate. Edo was renamed Tokyo (東京 - "Eastern Capital") when the Emperor took command there in 1868.

    In fact, the 47 Ronin story could not have taken place during the time of the warring states, as the premise of the story was that the instigating event was the an attack by Lord Asano, the samurais' (later ronins') master upon his tormenter within the shogun's palace in Edo.

    Whether or not the 47 Ronin story happened as it did in the movie or in Mitford's Tales of Old Japan is open to question, but some parts of the story are true and the Japanese absolutely believe it - it has been described as their "national legend." The ronin's graves at are Sengakuji and the groves there are filled daily with Japanese making pilgrimages to them.

    I have no idea whether the current 47 Ronin movie is any good, and you obviously don't, either. I also realize that the purpose of your diary is to snark and take potshots at every performer you don't like.

    But at least make an effort to know your shit, man. Wikipedia is just one click away.

    Seven Samurai (Kurosawa movie) - WikiPedia

    Forty-seven Ronin (legend and history) - WikiPedia

    "I believe that some fine day, the children of Abraham
    will lay down their swords forever in Jerusalem."

    by Ducktape on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 09:03:56 PM PST

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