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  •  if you say so (4+ / 0-)

    Commander in Chief Elizabeth Warren is not gonna happen.

    "An inglorious peace is better than a dishonorable war." -Mark Twain

    by humanistique on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 08:09:42 AM PST

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    •  if you say so (13+ / 0-)

      I remember hearing "Commander in Chief Barack Obama is not gonna happen", too . . . Were you one of the ones saying that?

      PS--Elizabeth Warren is not gonna single-handedly save the progressive movement either. Neither is Bernie.

      NOBODY is. We have to do it ourselves.

      There is no knight in shining armor.

      In the end, reality always wins.

      by Lenny Flank on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 08:16:52 AM PST

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      •  actually i thought Obama would win (2+ / 0-)
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        ...the first female president is not going to be a very liberal woman and professor. she'll be a Republican or a moderate to conservative Democrat.

        and i think Obama has done an okay job, but my guess the country will be looking for an establishment candidate. very establishment.

        i just really don't buy President Warren as being realistic in 2016.

        "An inglorious peace is better than a dishonorable war." -Mark Twain

        by humanistique on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 08:25:47 AM PST

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        •  Neither do I. (2+ / 0-)
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          It mattered in 2008 that Obama was African-American, but, for the most part, Clinton being female mattered mostly to women aged 40-60 who remembered times when equality was not taken for granted... in 2016 the times when women could only root for a handful of low-paying jobs will be even more distant.

          •  You live in a country where equality can be taken (2+ / 0-)
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            for granted?

            I live in a country where a woman becomes unemployable the instant she reaches an age where she reminds a male hiring manager of his mother.

            •  And I live in a country where (1+ / 0-)
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              a woman gets a state-mandated vaginal probe shoved up her business if she needs an abortion.

              The cavalier way that women's concerns are swept away in order to make a political point, well, it just makes me shake my head in dismay.

              It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

              by Radiowalla on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 12:34:10 PM PST

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            •  Discrimination does exist. (0+ / 0-)

              But it's nothing compared to what it was like in the 1950s and 1960s when the women's rights movement exploded. Back then, women faced huge obstacles in getting higher education. If they got their degrees, they would be lucky to find a job as a typewriter. While there certainly is discrimination today, it is nowhere near as pronounced as it once was.

        •  I don't think the country WANTS another (4+ / 0-)

          establishment person running on EITHER side. As much as we all scoffed at Mitt, the fact is, he was not establishment for the right. Obama won in '08 because he was not establishment.

          Hillary represents everything that is wrong with our country right now in terms of income inequality. Whether you're left or right, that is what she represents when you look at her and Bill and all their millions. This fact is not lost on people. And that was Mitt's problem as well other than his obvious 47% gaffe, they let us in on what they really think of a majority of the population.

          I would love to see Warren run, but I think she needs more time in the Senate to build her coalition. I say this because although by 2020 or 2024 she will be "establishment", if she keeps going as she is, she will have a record showing she's for the 99% and that is what the country wants more than anything.

          The Clintons have been, and always will be, out for themselves. I'm tired of having a monarchy, can we please move back to democracy?

          It is every person's obligation to put back into the world at least the equivalent of what they takes out of it. - Albert Einstein (edited for modern times to include everyone by me!)

          by LeftieIndie on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 09:13:52 AM PST

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        •  Just like the first black president (0+ / 0-)

          was never going to be a guy with a pastor who rants "God DAMN America!"

          Oh wait!

          "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

          by Subterranean on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 12:20:46 PM PST

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