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  •  The three great branches of Catholic (1+ / 0-)
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    Christianity: The Roman, the Eastern, and the Anglican, have a lot more power together than we have separately. Perhaps Francis will help us put it back together.

    Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

    by commonmass on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 07:39:26 PM PST

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    •  Since power is the goal, as it has been since (1+ / 0-)
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      jakedog42

      306 AD or so?

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 08:51:54 PM PST

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      •  306 AD? (2+ / 0-)
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        How about from the beginning of the very first religion. It has always been about power. Religion is nothing more than a way to control people.

      •  Probably even before 306CE. (1+ / 0-)
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        You can't read the history of the rise of the RCC and Christianity and not see that it has been ALL about power and wealth, and it still is.  What do you think the goal is behind buying up hospital systems in the US?

      •  Your comments in this diary are much (1+ / 0-)
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        Timaeus

        more hateful in tone than anything the pope said.

        The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

        by dfarrah on Sat Dec 21, 2013 at 08:12:57 AM PST

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        •  history is hateful, got it. (1+ / 0-)
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          That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

          by enhydra lutris on Sat Dec 21, 2013 at 12:56:11 PM PST

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          •  I am constantly amazed at how (2+ / 0-)
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            many adherents to this religion have no idea of the facts of their institution's history. Either that, or they do know it and want to pretend it all never happened.

            I love how the church is all sooo concerned about the poor, forgetting the fact that they were the major destroyers of poor pagan cultures throughout the world for centuries.

            •  This is ridiculously false. (1+ / 0-)
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              commonmass

              I generally have respect for your contributions to the debate.  I wish you could dial down the hate a bit, it distorts everything you say.

              •  You mean you haven't read James Mitchener's (0+ / 0-)

                Hawaii?  How about taking a tour of native american pueblos and their Catholic churches and being told that the Priests had the arms lopped off of the natives who tried to refuse to carry the logs to build the church?  The problem for you Timaeus is that your protests reveal a pretty big lack of knowledge about your beloved institution's history.   But let's just let that lie for now. How about this?  The RCC's position on women and family planning is one of the biggest contributors to poverty in the world.  Do you think that statement is a "distortion"?

            •  So what's your point? (0+ / 0-)

              The history of man is violence.  There is likely no major institution that has not caused the destruction of cultures.

              Are we to renounce them all in their current form, even if the particular institution no longer does what it used to do?  

              If that is what you want to do, I suggest you go start another planet somewhere.  After all, Germans and Japanese were our enemies not too long ago; how do you countenance them with the stance you've taken toward the pope?

              The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

              by dfarrah on Sat Dec 21, 2013 at 05:36:31 PM PST

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              •  This pope still represents the most (1+ / 0-)
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                corrupt institution in the history of the western world. It started with a four hundred year purge of the pagan faiths in Europe (body count?), followed by massacres (the French Cathars), crusades, inquisitions, corrupt power grabbing with any European kings they could get their hands on and on into economic schemes, Vatican Bank mafia money laundering and then the newest best adventures with attacking children and covering it up.

                The question for you is why you even think for one moment that this institution will change, no matter what the leadership does?  

                Sorry, but this religious institution has a chain of sins so long it makes Scrooge's look like a jump rope.  Only solution is to scrap the whole thing.

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