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  •  Honestly? (2.50)
    Your post is way to long. Who are you writing this for? The choir? Or are you trying to convince others of your position. If it's for the choir, it's fine. There will be people like here who will read it and say its wonderful because it's a longer version of what they already know and feel to be the case. But, for the non-choir, what the key elements of your post? Decide what the key elements are and this can be said more succintly, and then try to find some way to talk about it in a non wonkish manner. There are already a lot of wonks out there. What is different is that there needs to be people who can community the choirs position to people who are not the choir.
    •  PS (none)
      I am not saying this to discourage you or anyone else here. But, the problem isn't information- it's perception. You can't win perception by throwing more information at it. Let me put it to you this way- the reason that Bush's numbers are down,and will continue to fall is that perception is shifting. Some of that is information- but most of it is just changing views
      •  MHO (none)
        You are right that succinct info is also needed, but it needs to be in addition to, not in place of this. Short info is for reference or for using with others, long info is for us.

        There are already plenty of posts up here and elsewhere with short pieces of information.  Think Progress is one of my favorite sites for getting short pieces of information.

        Straw Man (homo calami) - when you don't feel like arguing against someone's actual points just assign them new and easier ones to dispute

        by Liberalpalooza on Wed Jun 29, 2005 at 08:59:30 AM PDT

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        •  I was trying to actually assist (none)
          the writter because they noted that their post was long, and everyone was telling him or her that it was okay. I just don't think its very useful
          •  OK (none)
            I understand you were trying to assist, which is a noble goal.  But you assumed their goals and intended audience and thus the usefulness of this diary.  

            They didn't say they wanted this information for talking points and they didn't say they wanted people to use this info to call talk shows, write letters to the editor or influence others.  In fact, they noted that they wanted this to be without brief quips.

            And their noting that a diary is long, does not mean they feel anything is wrong with a long diary.  

            To me, short diaries are good.  Long diaries are good.  Both serve a purpose.  And neither should be thought less of because they don't serve every purpose.

            Straw Man (homo calami) - when you don't feel like arguing against someone's actual points just assign them new and easier ones to dispute

            by Liberalpalooza on Wed Jun 29, 2005 at 12:17:22 PM PDT

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            •  Actually that is what they said towards the (none)
              start. ie, that they didn't think this could ge published anywhere else so they decided to write up a diary on d kos. I was suggesting how they could maybe submit it by re-editing it for other places. Again, this isn't about doing diaries- just a suggestion for appealing to audiences outside of D Kos to the writer.
              •  OK (none)
                I didn't and still don't see where they said that.  Which is probably why I thought your comment was inappropriate.  If you saw that or think you saw that, it makes your initial comment make sense. Can you point me to the sentence you are referring to (it's probably right in front of my blind eyes)?

                BTW, I've rated your first comment a 4 to try to somewhat counteract the 1 someone gave you.  

                Straw Man (homo calami) - when you don't feel like arguing against someone's actual points just assign them new and easier ones to dispute

                by Liberalpalooza on Thu Jun 30, 2005 at 07:45:00 AM PDT

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                •  where they start off the comment (none)
                  by saying they submit it as a diary here because they want it to be seen somewhere- not a very positive spin on why they are submitting it here
                •  actually going back to read it i am looking to (none)
                  find where i read that at- others must have seen the same thing at one point because there are general discussions that i enter into above with others who have similar critiques
    •  Way to go (none)
      This was an excellent article and all you can say is it was to long?  Well then, let me make this brief: Fuck You.

      I'm a hustler, baby. I'm a shining star!

      by buttermyself on Wed Jun 29, 2005 at 09:10:28 AM PDT

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      •  Harsh, but (none)
        I more or less agree.  No one said you have to read it.  

        Our side is more thoughtful and intellectual.  That's a strength, not a weakness.  

        The Republican Party: Redefining Oppression for the 21st Century

        by daveriegel on Wed Jun 29, 2005 at 10:31:59 AM PDT

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        •  Like I said (none)
          I asked what is the diarists intended audience? I am no one to talk given the speed with which I write my posts, but if I want to do something beyond a simple chat,  I think about how I am writing because form counts as much as what I am writing. Again, let me repeat, it depends on what this person wants to do with this because I sensed in their own statements a desire to reach a wider audience than D Kos. If his/her purpose is to analyze the situation for just D Kos, then it's fine the way it is. If not, then succint writing would be the preferred choice. That's my point in a nutshell. So, what exactly is the problem with this position?
      •  As I said - who is this for? (none)
        If it is for yourself- fine- but if you are wanting to convince others then yes form matters as much as substance.

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