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  •  Production costs and Prices (1+ / 0-)
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    Keith Pickering

    BTW, what happens when the workers/slaves in the PV factories actually get paid a decent wage? Or the electricity used to make the PVs and the PV components is actually made via PVs and not from coal, hydropower or even the PV competitor, wind?

    Anyway, in this country, the actual installed price of PV systems is still a far cry from the highly subsidized production costs of the panels, at least in our country. You can find those by state here:


    In this country, wind is still affordable, and PV is still pretty pricey...


    •  there are hardly any (3+ / 0-)
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      Odysseus, patbahn, Lawrence

      workers in solar cell factories. It's mostly robots.

    •  What will happen to the workers (2+ / 0-)
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      is what has happened to workers in every developing country that went ahead and developed. I grew up in the era of cheap Japanese junk and cheap Chinese labor, when Japan and much of Asia had been shattered in WW II and succeeding conflicts, such as the Chinese Communist war with the Nationalists, and the Korean War. Then Japan moved up the food chain and took over whole industries. Pretty soon Japanese companies, having maxed out on the available labor in Japan, and bid up wages for Japanese workers, had to look to Korea, Taiwan, and elsewhere for cheap labor. Now those countries are looking even further afield for their cheap labor.

      There is a finite pool of countries left to exploit, mostly in Asia, Africa, Latin America, and the Pacific. When they are developed, the entire planet will have a lovely labor shortage due to ever-increasing demand that will drive wages up everywhere. And productivity will continue to increase rapidly, so that employers can afford to pay the higher wages.

      Of course, government action in all of these countries will be needed during the process, such as minimum wage laws, union protections, safety regulation, rolling back corruption, and much more. Which means better civil society organizations. In short, More and Better Democracies.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Mon Dec 23, 2013 at 10:41:22 PM PST

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      •  you hope (0+ / 0-)

        there are a billion peasant to exploit in africa

        •  The entire population of Africa is only (0+ / 0-)

          1.03 billion. Poverty is in steep decline around the world, except in the most corrupt and war-torn countries, which constitute a shrinking set that I could enumerate for you. I have the economic, military, and social numbers by country and by year, if you would like to have a conversation based on facts rather than supposition.

          Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

          by Mokurai on Mon Dec 23, 2013 at 11:54:20 PM PST

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    •  not much, it's still (0+ / 0-)

      mostly large scale manufacturing.

      not a lot of labor in the lines

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