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  •  Fallacy. (1+ / 0-)
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    Just because prices have gone down in the past is not a guarantee that they will go down in the future. It's like saying that nuclear is the power of the future because there is so much more nuclear power being produced today.

    Also, we cannot wait 35 years for solar to mature. Hansen said that the battle over climate change will be won or lost in the next ten years. Yes, solar is part of the answer, but we need more. That's where wind and natural gas step in.

    •  Natural Gas is not a part of the solution (6+ / 0-)

      Each new natural gas well releases more greenhouse gas into our atmosphere than a coal fired electrical power plant. All the gains in how clean the natural gas burns are lost because of leakage at the production sites. We should instead be capturing methane and ammonia in our sewage, garbage and agricultural wastes and convert those into usable clean biofuels instead of developing new natural gas sources. Biofuels burn far cleaner than any fossil fuel including natural gas.

      Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

      by RMForbes on Mon Dec 23, 2013 at 07:31:35 PM PST

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      •  Natural gas in small doses. (0+ / 0-)

        Remember that there are times when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine. Natural gas is only used as a last resort. NG can fill that role because the generators can be started quickly and shut down quickly.

        •  Why not produce biofuels instead? (0+ / 0-)

          We already need to process our sewage, garbage and agriculture wastes...why not produce fuel from it too? It's estimated that we could replace at least 10% of our current transportation fuels by just processing our sewage into biofuels alone. We already have a couple small companies producing enough biofuels from sewage to fuel over 20,000 cars a day here in California. Biofuels burn far cleaner than any fossil fuels including natural gas. Natural gas is not the answer.

          Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

          by RMForbes on Sat Dec 28, 2013 at 09:12:01 AM PST

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    •  Look up Kurweil's and Moore's law (2+ / 0-)
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      This is in no way a mature technology like oil, coal and nuclear.  There is a lot more room in the reduction of this cost curve.

      •  Moore's "Law" isn't a law. (1+ / 0-)
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        It's just a correlation between passing time and processor power. Remember that solar prices rose during the mid-2000s as the cost of refined silicon rose. That's part of the reason the gov invested in Solyndra. The potential to reduce prices does not guarantee a reduction of price.

    •  Dammit... (0+ / 0-)

      fumbles with the weird KOS commenting system  How do I downvote?

      A solution by definition means no more wasteful, greenhouse production technologies will be used.  Natural gas it OUT.  Hell, I'll even admit that something advanced like thorium reactor technology is a better idea than natural gas.  

      "I'm a scientist attempting to understand politics and I'm confused" -me

      by FrankenPC on Mon Dec 23, 2013 at 09:50:28 PM PST

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      •  No downvoting for disagreement (0+ / 0-)

        Only hide ratings for trolls, spammers, and other seriously disruptive influences. There is also a short list of totally bannable offenses, such as Goodbye, Cruel World (GBCW) Diaries and outing personal details of anonymous Kossacks.

        Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

        by Mokurai on Mon Dec 23, 2013 at 10:47:16 PM PST

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