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  •  You have missed the point (2+ / 0-)
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    pvasileff, blackhand

    My childhood belief in Santa Claus hurt no one and eventually I grew to know the truth.  The false beliefs perpetuated in Christianity does have a motive.  A motive of money and power.  Santa never told me I was born evil or a sinner.  In a course I once took on domestic abuse they call this technique "shaming someone".  Your religion is built on human sacrifice.  In the Old Testament times it might have even been "child sacrifice".  How easy it is to overlook stuff and see with tunnel vision.  The Crusades, Inquisitions, Salem Witch Trials, the taking of American lands from heathens all justified by your god.  

    To start you on the journey to reality here are a few books to read by  Kenneth C. Davis.  "Don't Know Much About the Bible: Everything You Need to Know About the Good Book but Never Learned" and "Don't Know Much About Mythology: Everything You Need to Know About the Greatest Stories in Human History but Never Learned".

    As for knocking Christianity on Christmas Eve I don't believe  Christianity has any claim to this holiday whatsoever just because it attempted to bury a Pagan holiday and claim it their own.  

    I think it is more telling that you are so vocal about objecting at sharing the fact that your religion lies every time it says Christmas is about Jesus' birth in the first place.

    I think that if Christians were truly in the sprit of the holidays they would give up their persecution of gays, women's rights to their own bodies, and in general the judgement of others.

    Look up the Gnostic Gospels too.  Richard Carrier wrote some good books from a scholarly level about these times too.

    The only war on Christmas is waged by Christians.  It ws a pretty festive holiday full of fun in Europe.  It got out of hand and for many years Christmas wasn't celebrated in the United States at all.  Marketing has merged Christianity with Pagan and Norse traditions.

    Look up Lance Wallace and the Seven Mountains Manadate o a group called The Family or The Fellowship to see how deceptive and evil Christianity really is.  Those who control the top are not even the same kind of Christians as those at the bottom.  Theirs is a religion of entitlement and privilege.

    I can't share a years worth of study in one message and besides I'm sure that I have just pissed you off.  You have to do it yourself if your ever going to believe it.
    So once again, for all those hat read this dialog I encourage you to start looking with a critical eye the basis of what you believe.

    For me growing up Christmas was a time of giving and blessing.  Not a time of proselytizing by religion.  Letting go of these false Christian notions have brought the true meaning of Christmas back to me.  The world makes a lot mroe sense now too.

    •  Thanks, Jack, I agree with you. (1+ / 0-)
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      Jack Ryan

      A god that requires a human sacrifice is not one that I would contemplate following.  I fail to see how the New Testament improves the God of the Old Testament when it is based on the tortuous killing of the supposed son of that God.  The more I read about the early days of Christianity, the more my disbelief in all religions is reinforced.  Basically, religion is invoked to explain whatever it is that mankind doesn't know how to explain yet, and in doing so is cleverly wrought to provide a few with power over the many. I feel no conflict with saying we don't know yet to whatever question is considered rather than invoking supernatural beings or events.

      How many times can believers in Christianity be taken in by the coming of the Apocalypse before they wise up?  According to the New Testament, Jesus declared that death would not overtake his disciples before the coming of the apocalypse.  Let's see, how many times has that been predicted but not come true?  Aren't almost three thousand years of missed predictions enough to make Christians wonder about the basis in reality of those predictions?

      It is equally satisfying to envision a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow as it is to envision heaven at the end of life.  I think both are equally likely.

      "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe it." Neil deGrasse Tyson

      by pvasileff on Wed Dec 25, 2013 at 05:26:58 AM PST

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